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This is so bad. I have been obsessing over this vehicle for years, but the fact that the $46,000 version has MANUAL DRIVER SEAT CONTROLS is an insult. Let alone the fact that we were promised ProPilot 2.0 and they instead give us 1.0 for some unknown reason.

This is the absolute worst way to launch an EV. If I am going to pay $54k for an electric SUV, I might as well buy a Tesla. Nissan promised so much and lied to us all. That's not even hitting on the fact that when they first started talking about it they said they wanted every trim to be at least 300 miles, or that it was going to start at $40k.

EDIT: Oh, and to find that the $4,500 it takes to upgrade to the PREMIERE version ONLY includes ProPilot 2.0 and three styling additions? The ProPilot 2.0 they promised they'd include a year ago, I now have to pay $14,000 more than that originally alleged "base price"? This whole vehicle has turned into something so bad that I can't imagine anybody buying it and actually telling others that it's the best EV for the price and maintaining a straight face.
 

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The top-of-line Platinum trim looks fairly competitive with other entry-level luxury EVs. But can Nissan really compete with brands like Audi and Polestar/Volvo? I think it would have been more reasonable for Nissan to price the Ariya up against the ID.4 and Mach-E. Or just launch the Ariya as an Infiniti, since that's the price range it's trying to compete in.

I'm still interested in getting a Platinum, but if being in one doesn't feel at least as nice as being in a Q4 or XC40, I don't think it'll be worth the wait.
 

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This is so bad. I have been obsessing over this vehicle for years, but the fact that the $46,000 version has MANUAL DRIVER SEAT CONTROLS is an insult. Let alone the fact that we were promised ProPilot 2.0 and they instead give us 1.0 for some unknown reason.

This is the absolute worst way to launch an EV. If I am going to pay $54k for an electric SUV, I might as well buy a Tesla. Nissan promised so much and lied to us all. That's not even hitting on the fact that when they first started talking about it they said they wanted every trim to be at least 300 miles, or that it was going to start at $40k.

EDIT: Oh, and to find that the $4,500 it takes to upgrade to the PREMIERE version ONLY includes ProPilot 2.0 and three styling additions? The ProPilot 2.0 they promised they'd include a year ago, I now have to pay $14,000 more than that originally alleged "base price"? This whole vehicle has turned into something so bad that I can't imagine anybody buying it and actually telling others that it's the best EV for the price and maintaining a straight face.
To give some context, my Mach E is the premier trim but the shorter range rwd version (230 mile range). Starting price is very similar as compared to the Evolve+. I'd get more range in exchange for a few extra bells and whistles I can easily live without. The base model of the Mach E is around 43k but you can't add the long range battery to the base trim. So that means if you want long range you have to go premier trim (base price 49k + another 6k for a grand total of 55k).

On top of that I really don't think the extra bells and whistles I get on the Mach E are that much different/better than the Ariya. The Mach E has wireless Android auto but I don't care about having to plug in, I'd still have to pay $600 to activate the hands free driving when it eventually gets activated and then pay a subscription fee, the seats don't even have tilt, just up and down, and a supposedly upgraded sound system (although most folks don't think it's that great.

If you want a model Y the base price is now sitting at 58k. Is it the best value...probably not. But depending on what you are looking for it is comparable to some other evs. I wish there were more options at launch or the ability to add packages between trims (which may come later if not ordered during this initial launch) but it's not the worst value proposition at least for me.
 

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The top-of-line Platinum trim looks fairly competitive with other entry-level luxury EVs. But can Nissan really compete with brands like Audi and Polestar/Volvo? I think it would have been more reasonable for Nissan to price the Ariya up against the ID.4 and Mach-E. Or just launch the Ariya as an Infiniti, since that's the price range it's trying to compete in.

I'm still interested in getting a Platinum, but if being in one doesn't feel at least as nice as being in a Q4 or XC40, I don't think it'll be worth the wait.
It actually is pretty competitive with the Mach E pricing. I posted some info right above this post around the pricing.
 

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There has been little info regarding the standard equipment included with each of the initial Ariya models offered. I got this sheet from one of the Nissan reps at the LA auto show. It lists all of the equipment at each level. View attachment 396
I'm so glad you posted this. I was struggling with my choice to go with the Evolve+ at first because I didn't think it had the features I wanted but this more detailed list has helped solidify my choice.
 

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You're welcome. I felt a bit uncomfortable placing a deposit on a vehicle where the manufacturer really didn't say what I was getting. The Nissan rep at the LA auto show seemed equally surprised. The Ariyas on display were beautiful. I wish they had all the versions on display. I would really like to see what the blue-gray leather looks like since that's what I'll be sitting on, hopefully, in a year.
I received a call yesterday from my local Nissan dealership. The salesman said he received my order (the only one) and will follow up when he hears anything. He thought the Platinum+ might be available next November.
 

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Yesterday I was at the Toyota dealership dropping off my current car for service. I usually like perusing the new models for a few minutes after doing that... But there weren't any. The showroom was completely empty. There was one salesman walking around, so I asked her about it. She said they don't have any that aren't sold already. The few on the lot are just waiting for their owners to come take delivery. She said her job is now to take orders. So... For now at least, not being able to see them in person isn't unheard of... But that said, the nearby Honda dealership DID have some in the showroom. Also sold. They said they put them there so that people can look at them while waiting for their owners to take delivery. That seemed a better strategy to me.

Anyway, I've ordered every new car I've ever bought rather than taking one off the lot, so for me, putting down a deposit and waiting wasn't all that different. I'll also enjoy reading the little releases of information and reviews as the time approaches.
 

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I can see nowhere in this list of trim levels an L2 charge cable. They only list a 120V one. Nissan is therefore forcing its customers to buy a wall charger or source a third party L2 cable. This is the only EV I'm aware of that doesn't include an L2 cable. Not impressed...
 

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I noticed that too. The Leaf and Kia/Hyundai EVs only come with a Level 1 charge cable. Chevy Bolt and (I think) Teslas come with Level 2.
I hope they just neglected to list the Level 2 EVSE on the upper trims. For example my 2018 Leaf SL came with a Level 2 (240V) when the lower trims came with a Level 1 (120V).
 

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Out of curiosity, anyone know how big of a difference it makes for ProPilot 2.0 to have NaviLink versus without? It says the Platinum has NaviLink but not the Premiere. I believe NaviLink allows the car to exit an offramp automatically if you have a destination programmed in the navigation but other than that I can't recall any other difference.
 

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Out of curiosity, anyone know how big of a difference it makes for ProPilot 2.0 to have NaviLink versus without? It says the Platinum has NaviLink but not the Premiere. I believe NaviLink allows the car to exit an offramp automatically if you have a destination programmed in the navigation but other than that I can't recall any other difference.
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Summary: It will automatically adjust speed for speed limit changes (based on road data and reading speed limit signs seen with the camera), and adjust speed for sharp curves in the road.
 
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