As of today, the only AWD EV qualifying for the $7500 tax credit is the Volkswagen ID.4. See Here Are All The EVs Eligible Now For The $7,500 Federal Tax Credit. This will likely change as the IRS gets its act together to reclassify some of the SUVs that are currently classified as autos.
Alternative to Ariya
With all the questions on if the $7500 tax credit applies. Let’s start a discussion on alternatives. My reserved Ariya is the top option AWD coming in at $58 to $60k. If no tax credit is available, what AWD EV is as good as Ariya at that price?
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In my case, the 2023 rules mean I won’t get a tax credit.
I‘m not a fan of Teslas, don’t know anything about the VWs.
I drove the Ioniq 5, it was ok, didn’t thrill me. I thought the EV6 was too cramped in the drivers seat. I am looking forward to driving an Ariya to see how I fit (I’m 6’2” with a long upper body). Dealer is expecting demo this month. But if it doesn’t work for me, I’m looking for recommendations (and why).
I‘m not a fan of Teslas, don’t know anything about the VWs.
I drove the Ioniq 5, it was ok, didn’t thrill me. I thought the EV6 was too cramped in the drivers seat. I am looking forward to driving an Ariya to see how I fit (I’m 6’2” with a long upper body). Dealer is expecting demo this month. But if it doesn’t work for me, I’m looking for recommendations (and why).
FYI, I am 6'3" and fit into an ID.4 quite nicely. Also, production has ramped up enough so that nearly all VW dealers should have units in stock. Give it a try...In my case, the 2023 rules mean I won’t get a tax credit.
I‘m not a fan of Teslas, don’t know anything about the VWs.
I drove the Ioniq 5, it was ok, didn’t thrill me. I thought the EV6 was too cramped in the drivers seat. I am looking forward to driving an Ariya to see how I fit (I’m 6’2” with a long upper body). Dealer is expecting demo this month. But if it doesn’t work for me, I’m looking for recommendations (and why).
This summer the Chevy Blazer EV is supposed to arrive. Like everything else though reservations are closed and it will likely be end of year before anyone actually sees them.
Chevy Blazer EV Detroit Autoshow
Chevy Blazer EV Detroit Autoshow
I’m 6’4” and fit comfortably in the Evolve+. If you’re looking for alternatives in the <$60k price range with AWD, I’d suggest Blazer, Equinox, or ID4. Blazer will probably be the roomiest of those options, but who knows what actual availability will be anytime soon.In my case, the 2023 rules mean I won’t get a tax credit.
I‘m not a fan of Teslas, don’t know anything about the VWs.
I drove the Ioniq 5, it was ok, didn’t thrill me. I thought the EV6 was too cramped in the drivers seat. I am looking forward to driving an Ariya to see how I fit (I’m 6’2” with a long upper body). Dealer is expecting demo this month. But if it doesn’t work for me, I’m looking for recommendations (and why).
Have you looked at the Audi Q4? Last time I checked they were similar in price. Interesting that it is not seen as competitor. Or Genesis?
I have looked at both. In my area, both have $10k+ dealer markups.Have you looked at the Audi Q4? Last time I checked they were similar in price. Interesting that it is not seen as competitor. Or Genesis?
Keep in mind that the federal tax credit question for a reserved Ariya sold in 2023 is exactly that, a question. Besides, I think everyone can agree that the latest IRS guidelines released December 30, surely won’t be the last ruling regarding this matter. As stated in a different thread in this forum, I am not convinced that a reserved Ariya delivered in 2023 automatically becomes ineligible for tax credit because the IRA transition rule actually freezes our delivery date as being August 15, 2022. In any case any Ariya reservation holder choosing to jump off of the band wagon here will soon come to realize that even a VW id.4 made in Tennessee will likely only qualify for 50% of the tax credit ($3,750) after March of this year. So I’m not willing to settle for a vehicle I consider inferior to the Ariya only to realize a $3,750 tax credit.I’m 6’4” and fit comfortably in the Evolve+. If you’re looking for alternatives in the <$60k price range with AWD, I’d suggest Blazer, Equinox, or ID4. Blazer will probably be the roomiest of those options, but who knows what actual availability will be anytime soon.
As one forum member also pointed out in a different post, Ariya reservation holders also have the opportunity to hold the line somewhat on inflation for the past 13 months, after we realize our $1240.00 reservation discount. So everything considered, I‘m going to move forward with the purchase of the Ariya in 2023, roll the dice on the Ariya‘s tax credit viability, as I don’t intend to jump ship any time soon.
The Q4 unfortunately doesn't have a ProPilot 2.0 equivalent. Otherwise kind of interesting but not seen it discussed much in the news.
I consider the Q4 as a VW variant in a more appealing wrapper with no tax credit opportunity.The Q4 unfortunately doesn't have a ProPilot 2.0 equivalent. Otherwise kind of interesting but not seen it discussed much in the news.
Keep in mind that the federal tax credit question for a reserved Ariya sold in 2023 is exactly that, a question. Besides, I think everyone can agree that the latest IRS guidelines released December 30, surely won’t be the last ruling regarding this matter. As stated in a different thread in this forum, I am not convinced that a reserved Ariya delivered in 2023 automatically becomes ineligible for tax credit because the IRA transition rule actually freezes our delivery date as being August 15, 2022. In any case any Ariya reservation holder choosing to jump off of the band wagon here will soon come to realize that even a VW id.4 made in Tennessee will likely only qualify for 50% of the tax credit ($3,750) after March of this year. So I’m not willing to settle for a vehicle I consider inferior to the Ariya only to realize a $3,750 tax credit.
As one forum member also pointed out in a different post, Ariya reservation holders also have the opportunity to hold the line somewhat on inflation for the past 13 months, after we realize our $1240.00 reservation discount. So everything considered, I‘m going to move forward with the purchase of the Ariya in 2023, roll the dice on the Ariya‘s tax credit viability, as I don’t intend to jump ship any time soon.
I’m not jumping out of any line. I took delivery on 12/30, and just got the window tint completed today. 😀
Very Nice looking ride! Are many strangers approaching you in parking lots to ask questions and check it out ?View attachment 1001
I’m not jumping out of any line. I took delivery on 12/30, and just got the window tint completed today. 😀
Tasty ride! What tint type did you go with? Ceramic, Carbon?View attachment 1001
I’m not jumping out of any line. I took delivery on 12/30, and just got the window tint completed today. 😀
There is only one.
Lyriq.
The ID.4 (had one) is too budgety for me. The new 2023 upgrades kinda make it more tolerable but the Platinum+ has no comparable. Also, they nuked premium audio in the Pro S Plus trim.
If you were looking for a $40-50K EV then the ID.4 fits the bill. The Lyriq and Platinum+ are a step above the ID.4
Lyriq.
The ID.4 (had one) is too budgety for me. The new 2023 upgrades kinda make it more tolerable but the Platinum+ has no comparable. Also, they nuked premium audio in the Pro S Plus trim.
If you were looking for a $40-50K EV then the ID.4 fits the bill. The Lyriq and Platinum+ are a step above the ID.4
No tax credit on Lyriq (unless you can find a dealer to sell it to you for $55k) because the IRS just recently classified it as a passenger car.There is only one.
Lyriq.
The ID.4 (had one) is too budgety for me. The new 2023 upgrades kinda make it more tolerable but the Platinum+ has no comparable. Also, they nuked premium audio in the Pro S Plus trim.
If you were looking for a $40-50K EV then the ID.4 fits the bill. The Lyriq and Platinum+ are a step above the ID.4
Right... but when I ordered there was no tax credit for it. At $62K it is very comparable to a $58K Nissan Ariya Platinum+No tax credit on Lyriq (unless you can find a dealer to sell it to you for $55k) because the IRS just recently classified it as a passenger car.
Most other EVs are vastly inferior to me at the same price point. Ioniq 5, EV6, ID.4 are all budgety and cheap. Hands-free driving, premium audio, all the modern safety features (360 camera, digital rear view mirror, etc.), long range (both Ariya and Lyriq have larger batteries than their competitors) is what I want.
The other EV I would consider is the GV60 Advanced. Same price point too and same luxury feature set. Range is an issue as it is the same smaller battery as the other E-GMP cars.
I totally agree with all of your comparisons. If AWD included with the Platinum + is not a priority for you then the Lyriq at the early reservation price of $62k does stack up well.Right... but when I ordered there was no tax credit for it. At $62K it is very comparable to a $58K Nissan Ariya Platinum+
Most other EVs are vastly inferior to me at the same price point. Ioniq 5, EV6, ID.4 are all budgety and cheap. Hands-free driving, premium audio, all the modern safety features (360 camera, digital rear view mirror, etc.), long range (both Ariya and Lyriq have larger batteries than their competitors) is what I want.
The other EV I would consider is the GV60 Advanced. Same price point too and same luxury feature set. Range is an issue as it is the same smaller battery as the other E-GMP cars.
I’m happy to hear the report that someone 6’4” fits in the Ariya. Does the Lyriq have a heat pump and does the AWD disengage on motor when not needed? When I looked on line, the Lyriq AWD is $64k
Plenty of legroom in the Ariya. However those with a long torso may find their hair brushes all Ariya models with a moonroof. I’m 6’ even and only had at best two inches to spare above my head when I test drove the Premier at the ride and drive event last summer. By comparison I had more than 4” above my head in the Engage trim with no sunroof as I test drove that model earlier this week.I’m happy to hear the report that someone 6’4” fits in the Ariya. Does the Lyriq have a heat pump and does the AWD disengage on motor when not needed? When I looked on line, the Lyriq AWD is $64k
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