[JeHo]

Follow up to my prior posts regarding the Ariya Venture+ (the long-range version, specced at up to 304 miles driving range) initially showing over 360 miles of range. As mentioned in the other thread, the numbers kept dropping with every 100% charge, coming closer and closer to Nissan’s promised 304 mile number.

Then they dipped under 300, falling first to 297 at 100%. Today, the number is 292 at 100%. (Screenshots attached.) Outdoor temperatures aren’t especially cold here (Irvine, CA) and don’t seem to be impacting the numbers - they’ve just been falling every day. The car has been driven around 500 miles at this point, and I’ve also noticed that EVgo chargers don’t seem to be able to recharge it past 99%. I don’t remember similar problems with the Leaf.

Anyone else with the Venture+ seeing these issues?

 

[Campy]

That's disappointing to see. I'm picking up my Venture+ tomorrow. One of the main reasons I'm buying the Venture+ is for the added range. I hope this is an anomaly!

 

[JeHo]

That's disappointing to see. I'm picking up my Venture+ tomorrow. One of the main reasons I'm buying the Venture+ is for the added range. I hope this is an anomaly!

The 304-mile range was literally the only reason I bought the Ariya as a replacement for my Leaf S Plus... and chose the Venture+ trim over the other versions. Somewhat concerned at this point and wondering whether a software update (or something else) will make things right.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

The 304-mile range was literally the only reason I bought the Ariya as a replacement for my Leaf S Plus... and chose the Venture+ trim over the other versions. Somewhat concerned at this point and wondering whether a software update (or something else) will make things right.

Not to worry - the type of driving you’ve been doing the past 500 miles will likely stabilize your computers range estimate soon. Your computer is merely anticipating range based on your previous type/style of driving. Keep in mind that the EPA rated 304 mile range estimate for Venture + is literally that, an ESTIMATE. The only reason why the Evolve + and Premiere + is rated at 15 miles less range than your Venture + is because of the added weight gained by the Sunroof and a few other accessories. So you can see range can be very volatile as well as subjective. Since the weather is so mild down there, try turning off your climate control entirely between charge sessions. As long as the outside temp. will allow you to tolerate that scenario -( and your driving habits and routes driven are consistent) I will bet that your new range estimate will exceed 304. That said, this experiment may prompt you to install aftermarket electric seat heaters which will provide you with desired comfort while adding greater range during mild winter days.

 

[JeHo]

Not to worry - the type of driving you’ve been doing the past 500 miles will likely stabilize your computers range estimate soon.

I hope you’re right, but don’t recall my last (2019) Leaf’s 100% range estimate dropping below Nissan’s advertised peak, especially in the first few weeks of ownership. As the car aged, I’d sometimes note miles falling off the range at a higher than expected rate mid-drive, but it took two or three years for that to noticeably happen.

Since the weather is so mild down there, try turning off your climate control entirely between charge sessions. As long as the outside temp. will allow you to tolerate that scenario -( and your driving habits and routes driven are consistent) I will bet that your new range estimate will exceed 304.

I haven’t been using climate control much because the weather has been pretty comfortable, but will keep my eye on that. With my first Leaf (a 2016), when I was living in a very different climate, I had to do things like that to eke out miles and keep close to the promised range - but again, the 100% number didn’t start out markedly lower than what was advertised. I also haven’t added any great weight to the new car - certainly no more and probably less than I had in my last Leaf. Hopefully the number naturally settles out where it should be.

Curious for your take on why EVgo chargers would struggle to recharge it to 100%. I’ve had multiple sessions at this point and never seen them successfully push past 99% with the Ariya, even given plenty of time to finish up.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

I hope you’re right, but don’t recall my last (2019) Leaf’s 100% range estimate dropping below Nissan’s advertised peak, especially in the first few weeks of ownership. As the car aged, I’d sometimes note miles falling off the range at a higher than expected rate mid-drive, but it took two or three years for that to noticeably happen.



I haven’t been using climate control much because the weather has been pretty comfortable, but will keep my eye on that. With my first Leaf (a 2016), when I was living in a very different climate, I had to do things like that to eke out miles and keep close to the promised range - but again, the 100% number didn’t start out markedly lower than what was advertised. I also haven’t added any great weight to the new car - certainly no more and probably less than I had in my last Leaf. Hopefully the number naturally settles out where it should be.

Curious for your take on why EVgo chargers would struggle to recharge it to 100%. I’ve had multiple sessions at this point and never seen them successfully push past 99% with the Ariya, even given plenty of time to finish up.

Here’s a screen shot of real world range testing of various EV’s measured and performed by Inside EV’s. Although this data is a 70 mph range test, they begin each with a 100% charge - and then measure actual range (not a computer estimate) until the battery is completely discharged. As you can see in this screen shot very few EV’s actually attain the EPA estimate. I highlighted a 2020 Leaf similar to yours that fell nearly 12% short of the mark during this test. My point is unless you actually simulated this test in your 2019 Leaf, your Ariya’s guess-o -meter may actually be more accurate predicting real world range as compared to your old Leaf. It’s all based on what kind of driving your Ariya is experiencing ahead of each charge session. Just give it time, iIm sure it will level out soon🙂.

 

[Nismantx]

Range varies as you drive. If you use sport mode you will get less range. If you use standard mode you get little better range, then if you use eco mode you get best range. Also, even in any mode if you use e step it will regenerate and get more range. Also, if you be light on accelerator it will give even more range. So it all depends on your driving in normal conditions.

I have few questions, how does your trunk look like? Is it flat ? Do you have hanging cargo shelf? Also in the front hood , do you have the shielding inside?

Thank you

 

[Campy]

Follow up to my prior posts regarding the Ariya Venture+ (the long-range version, specced at up to 304 miles driving range) initially showing over 360 miles of range. As mentioned in the other thread, the numbers kept dropping with every 100% charge, coming closer and closer to Nissan’s promised 304 mile number.

Then they dipped under 300, falling first to 297 at 100%. Today, the number is 292 at 100%. (Screenshots attached.) Outdoor temperatures aren’t especially cold here (Irvine, CA) and don’t seem to be impacting the numbers - they’ve just been falling every day. The car has been driven around 500 miles at this point, and I’ve also noticed that EVgo chargers don’t seem to be able to recharge it past 99%. I don’t remember similar problems with the Leaf.

Anyone else with the Venture+ seeing these issues?

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I just picked up my Ariya Venture+ on Saturday. It was at 100% charged and was at 332-miles. So I’ve put 180 miles on it and it’s at 41%. Most of my driving has been between 35-55 and I utilize “B” mode, E-step, and ECO. My gauge is reading at 3.6 kWh per/mi. I do use heating and defrost since I’m in the Northwest US.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

I just picked up my Ariya Venture+ on Saturday. It was at 100% charged and was at 332-miles. So I’ve put 180 miles on it and it’s at 41%. Most of my driving has been between 35-55 and I utilize “B” mode, E-step, and ECO. My gauge is reading at 3.6 kWh per/mi. I do use heating and defrost since I’m in the Northwest US.

I consider 3.6 mile/kw with the type of driving you describe is very respectable for winter driving in the NW right now. I just got to take an Engage model out for a test drive (Olympia, Wa.) this morning and was very impressed how comfortable the HVAC was in that car. Build quality, acceleration and the overall driving characteristics much exceeded my expectations. My wife and I agree that we will be accepting delivery of our Evolve reservation once it arrives. Regardless, happy Ventures to you!

 

[Marko5333]

That's disappointing to see. I'm picking up my Venture+ tomorrow. One of the main reasons I'm buying the Venture+ is for the added range. I hope this is an anomaly!

Mine started at 321 miles. 5days later is 287.

 

[mattp]

Mine started at 321 miles. 5days later is 287.

GOM is just that a guess. So the range will constantly fluctuate based on weather and individual driving. One needs to worry only if all those factors are the same and it keeps going down. The official EPA estimates are under particular conditions that might not be real-life. Same thing happens with ICE engines as well. I would worry if the range at 70F is going below something like 10% of EPA in non highway driving.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

Mine started at 321 miles. 5days later is 287.

GOM is just that a guess. So the range will constantly fluctuate based on weather and individual driving. One needs to worry only if all those factors are the same and it keeps going down. The official EPA estimates are under particular conditions that might not be real-life. Same thing happens with ICE engines as well. I would worry if the range at 70F is going below something like 10% of EPA in non highway driving.

GOM is just that a guess. So the range will constantly fluctuate based on weather and individual driving. One needs to worry only if all those factors are the same and it keeps going down. The official EPA estimates are under particular conditions that might not be real-life. Same thing happens with ICE engines as well. I would worry if the range at 70F is going below something like 10% of EPA in non highway driving.

For what it’s worth I suspect Nissan was wise not to offer the 63KW trims at the US launch because many “Newbie EV owners would be freakin out once their GOM displayed <200 miles of range.

 

[Campy]

Mine started at 321 miles. 5days later is 287.

But how many miles did you drive?

 

[Tom54tay]

Initial range on delivery 337, now 3 weeks later and a couple 400 mile round trips 100% is at 277. Not happy and concerned.

 

[JeHo]

Initial range on delivery 337, now 3 weeks later and a couple 400 mile round trips 100% is at 277. Not happy and concerned.

282 for me. It keeps getting worse…

 

[Nismantx]

Watch the power percentage in the dash while you drive and keep it close to 0 or to the left of 0. You only need to lightly touch on the accelerator to get an average 50 mph speed. The more you push, you burn kw and which turns to the lower range. Also use estep on.

 

[Tom54tay]

If you are on interstate highway with speed limit 70 mph, the readings are always around 20-25 percent. Impossible to keep at 0 at 70 mph. I have had two 400 mile round trips in last several weeks and both required 70 mph the majority of the trip.

 

[atreis]

The EPA highway range test is conducted at a maximum speed of 60mph. Faster speeds reduce EV range quite a lot.

 

[Nismantx]

Faster speed reduce ev range, even on some hybrids same story. Still Even on highway you could have slopes where you could let loose the acceleration. In this case if you had estep on it will regenerate power. I go local 10-20 mi sometimes I get 5 mi regenerate. So in highway 100 miles with estep can get at least 5-10 miles unless you drive through fully mountain terrain. Wind can also affect range . Also keep in mind that using accessories, cruise, pro-pilot also can reduce range. They all use electricity straight from battery. In gas cars the alternator generate electricity as you drive and impact on mpg maybe minimal. So to compensate that it is best to use estep always.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

Initial range on delivery 337, now 3 weeks later and a couple 400 mile round trips 100% is at 277. Not happy and concerned.

The portion of your driving thus far that requires you to travel at 70 mph is a huge factor regarding the reduced estimated range your computer is displaying. Partially due to the taller profile of the Ariya, it just isn’t as slippery as many EV’s out there by comparison. (technically referred to as drag coefficient) So added wind resistance at higher speed is at play in your range equation. Although I have not had the pleasure of taking delivery of my Ariya yet, I will be a happy camper if my real world range when traveling on a trip at 70 mph results in 230 miles.