[atreis]

Just FYI, Cadillac now has their configurator up for the Lyriq (build and price):

2024 Cadillac LYRIQ | All-Electric SUV | Model Overview

View the All-Electric 2024 Cadillac LYRIQ built with luxury in-mind and innovated technology like Google Built-in assistant, 33" LED display, & ambient lighting.

www.cadillac.com

I had seriously considered this option, but am glad I didn't. It ends up being quite a lot more expensive once kitted out similar to my Evolve+. Lyriq Tech trim, with Driver Assistance package, is $62K, or ~$58K and change after half of the federal incentive is applied. $55K if it would eventually get all of it.

 

[Hank]

Just FYI, Cadillac now has their configurator up for the Lyriq (build and price):

2024 Cadillac LYRIQ | All-Electric SUV | Model Overview

View the All-Electric 2024 Cadillac LYRIQ built with luxury in-mind and innovated technology like Google Built-in assistant, 33" LED display, & ambient lighting.

www.cadillac.com

I had seriously considered this option, but am glad I didn't. It ends up being quite a lot more expensive once kitted out similar to my Evolve+. Lyriq Tech trim, with Driver Assistance package, is $62K, or ~$58K and change after half of the federal incentive is applied. $55K if it would eventually get all of it.

I chose Nissan specifically because Made in Japan and 12 yrs of electrification experience.

Lyriq would be nice to have but not until they go through the learning curve.

 

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I chose Nissan specifically because Made in Japan and 12 yrs of electrification experience.

Lyriq would be nice to have but not until they go through the learning curve.

Maybe.. but, I like the fact that individual battery cells can be replaced in the GM products should they fail. a lot cheaper and a lot less time consuming than replacing whole cell packs in the Nissan product.
Something to consider for those keeping this unit long term.

 

[Nissan79]

I chose Nissan specifically because Made in Japan and 12 yrs of electrification experience.

As a huge fan of the Leaf, I've written here that my positive experience with the Leaf was probably the single biggest reason I put in my Ariya preorder (Platinum+) over a year ago.

Since then, I've been eagerly reading everyone's opinions and experiences, and I'm starting to understand (sadly) that I'm not the only person questioning what exactly those 12 yrs of electrification experience has given us; especially when you compare the Ariya against EV competitors that didn't have the benefit of those 12 years (namely Hyundai, BMW, etc).

Can you help me better understand your POV here? What is it you see that makes you believe that Nissan leveraged learnings from the Leaf? I see glaring problems with the overall Ariya experience that I can't believe Nissan allowed to pass - Like for instance the inability to set the max charge capacity (or even provide for a Hilltop mode in any form). I gave Nissan a pass for that on my Leaf, and I'm honestly astounded that they didn't consider this a glaring omission on the Ariya, given how 'built in' that concept is for virtually all others EV's (particularly Tesla).

Also, things like the phone app, which they had years to improve, is no better now than it was 6 years ago (which to say is 'poor' when weighed against Tesla).

My only guess is that the Ariya probably isn't really a Nissan product when it comes down to the nuts and volts - It's probably more a Renault wearing a Nissan badge, and built in a Nissan factory.

I'd like to think that the overall R&D (at least everything about it that's poorly executed, or poorly decided), must have been a factor of Renault's program leadership/participation. That's the only way I can make myself feel better about the Nissan brand (which I've loved for 30 years) showing up with the underwhelming Ariya as the follow-on to such a fantastic, game-changing product as the Leaf.

To me, it seems like the Ariya program didn't translate any of that 12 years into a substantial advantage over the competition.Rather, it feels like an EV that's delivering customer expectations from 4 years ago (like the 130kw/hr max charge rate as an example, or the ho-hum efficiency / real-world range given the relatively huge 91kw/hr battery).

Sorry to be a contrarian to your very upbeat postings, but I think plenty of folks here are having similar thoughts as mine.

 

[Hank]

As a huge fan of the Leaf, I've written here that my positive experience with the Leaf was probably the single biggest reason I put in my Ariya preorder (Platinum+) over a year ago.

Since then, I've been eagerly reading everyone's opinions and experiences, and I'm starting to understand (sadly) that I'm not the only person questioning what exactly those 12 yrs of electrification experience has given us; especially when you compare the Ariya against EV competitors that didn't have the benefit of those 12 years (namely Hyundai, BMW, etc).

Can you help me better understand your POV here? What is it you see that makes you believe that Nissan leveraged learnings from the Leaf? I see glaring problems with the overall Ariya experience that I can't believe Nissan allowed to pass - Like for instance the inability to set the max charge capacity (or even provide for a Hilltop mode in any form). I gave Nissan a pass for that on my Leaf, and I'm honestly astounded that they didn't consider this a glaring omission on the Ariya, given how 'built in' that concept is for virtually all others EV's (particularly Tesla).

Also, things like the phone app, which they had years to improve, is no better now than it was 6 years ago (which to say is 'poor' when weighed against Tesla).

My only guess is that the Ariya probably isn't really a Nissan product when it comes down to the nuts and volts - It's probably more a Renault wearing a Nissan badge, and built in a Nissan factory.

I'd like to think that the overall R&D (at least everything about it that's poorly executed, or poorly decided), must have been a factor of Renault's program leadership/participation. That's the only way I can make myself feel better about the Nissan brand (which I've loved for 30 years) showing up with the underwhelming Ariya as the follow-on to such a fantastic, game-changing product as the Leaf.

To me, it seems like the Ariya program didn't translate any of that 12 years into a substantial advantage over the competition.Rather, it feels like an EV that's delivering customer expectations from 4 years ago (like the 130kw/hr max charge rate as an example, or the ho-hum efficiency / real-world range given the relatively huge 91kw/hr battery).

Sorry to be a contrarian to your very upbeat postings, but I felt this needed to be said.

well, I have never owned a Leaf to compare it to anything. My first EV is the Ariya. I can only speak for the pure pleasure of driving my Ariya. As for the ride comparisons, the only thing I can compare the Ariya to is against my father’s 2010 Lexus LS460, my girlfriends 2018 Lexus ES350, and my colleague’s testimony from his 2020 Lexus ES300h.

Battery technology, I don’t think anyone can beat the Koreans in that area. Also, the Koreans tend to be more of a risk takers vs the Japanese. Look how slowly Toyota and the majors are moving towards electrification. I’m sure those 12 yrs of electrification experiences from Nissan means something to us. Whether you like Ariya or not, it’s your prerogative. Me personally, I would never touch a Tesla with a ten foot pole. It’s cheap cheap!

So that I’m learning, what’s with the phone app you are referring to? Virtual Key?

 

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As a huge fan of the Leaf, I've written here that my positive experience with the Leaf was probably the single biggest reason I put in my Ariya preorder (Platinum+) over a year ago.

Since then, I've been eagerly reading everyone's opinions and experiences, and I'm starting to understand (sadly) that I'm not the only person questioning what exactly those 12 yrs of electrification experience has given us; especially when you compare the Ariya against EV competitors that didn't have the benefit of those 12 years (namely Hyundai, BMW, etc).

Can you help me better understand your POV here? What is it you see that makes you believe that Nissan leveraged learnings from the Leaf? I see glaring problems with the overall Ariya experience that I can't believe Nissan allowed to pass - Like for instance the inability to set the max charge capacity (or even provide for a Hilltop mode in any form). I gave Nissan a pass for that on my Leaf, and I'm honestly astounded that they didn't consider this a glaring omission on the Ariya, given how 'built in' that concept is for virtually all others EV's (particularly Tesla).

Also, things like the phone app, which they had years to improve, is no better now than it was 6 years ago (which to say is 'poor' when weighed against Tesla).

My only guess is that the Ariya probably isn't really a Nissan product when it comes down to the nuts and volts - It's probably more a Renault wearing a Nissan badge, and built in a Nissan factory.

I'd like to think that the overall R&D (at least everything about it that's poorly executed, or poorly decided), must have been a factor of Renault's program leadership/participation. That's the only way I can make myself feel better about the Nissan brand (which I've loved for 30 years) showing up with the underwhelming Ariya as the follow-on to such a fantastic, game-changing product as the Leaf.

To me, it seems like the Ariya program didn't translate any of that 12 years into a substantial advantage over the competition.Rather, it feels like an EV that's delivering customer expectations from 4 years ago (like the 130kw/hr max charge rate as an example, or the ho-hum efficiency / real-world range given the relatively huge 91kw/hr battery).

Sorry to be a contrarian to your very upbeat postings, but I think plenty of folks here are having similar thoughts as mine.

👉I Think Your Post is the BEST POST I've ever read on this site👍👍👍
And you have been a Nissan Customer for some time.. That carries A LOT of weight with me.
Renault....
That..... is something I had not considered 😥
And yes.. this is 2019/2020 technology.. I believe this mode debuted at the 2020 Auto Show? Thus, the slow charging compared to it's peers.
DID I JUST BUY A RENAULT!!!
O.M.G.!!! 😨

 

[ab13]

As a huge fan of the Leaf, I've written here that my positive experience with the Leaf was probably the single biggest reason I put in my Ariya preorder (Platinum+) over a year ago.

Since then, I've been eagerly reading everyone's opinions and experiences, and I'm starting to understand (sadly) that I'm not the only person questioning what exactly those 12 yrs of electrification experience has given us; especially when you compare the Ariya against EV competitors that didn't have the benefit of those 12 years (namely Hyundai, BMW, etc).

Can you help me better understand your POV here? What is it you see that makes you believe that Nissan leveraged learnings from the Leaf? I see glaring problems with the overall Ariya experience that I can't believe Nissan allowed to pass - Like for instance the inability to set the max charge capacity (or even provide for a Hilltop mode in any form). I gave Nissan a pass for that on my Leaf, and I'm honestly astounded that they didn't consider this a glaring omission on the Ariya, given how 'built in' that concept is for virtually all others EV's (particularly Tesla).

Also, things like the phone app, which they had years to improve, is no better now than it was 6 years ago (which to say is 'poor' when weighed against Tesla).

My only guess is that the Ariya probably isn't really a Nissan product when it comes down to the nuts and volts - It's probably more a Renault wearing a Nissan badge, and built in a Nissan factory.

I'd like to think that the overall R&D (at least everything about it that's poorly executed, or poorly decided), must have been a factor of Renault's program leadership/participation. That's the only way I can make myself feel better about the Nissan brand (which I've loved for 30 years) showing up with the underwhelming Ariya as the follow-on to such a fantastic, game-changing product as the Leaf.

To me, it seems like the Ariya program didn't translate any of that 12 years into a substantial advantage over the competition.Rather, it feels like an EV that's delivering customer expectations from 4 years ago (like the 130kw/hr max charge rate as an example, or the ho-hum efficiency / real-world range given the relatively huge 91kw/hr battery).

Sorry to be a contrarian to your very upbeat postings, but I think plenty of folks here are having similar thoughts as mine.

Well Hyundai Ioniq 5 already had 1 recall due to dropping out of park and rolling, and a possible second one. We can't say what Ariya reliability will be, but it's something you can't tell until several years later.

Hyundai Ioniq 5 Eco Mode Update Leaves Frustrated Owners In Slow Motion | Carscoops

The EV can take north of 7 seconds to reach 40 mph in its Eco mode after a recent software update

www.carscoops.com

 

[Hank]

As a huge fan of the Leaf, I've written here that my positive experience with the Leaf was probably the single biggest reason I put in my Ariya preorder (Platinum+) over a year ago.

Since then, I've been eagerly reading everyone's opinions and experiences, and I'm starting to understand (sadly) that I'm not the only person questioning what exactly those 12 yrs of electrification experience has given us; especially when you compare the Ariya against EV competitors that didn't have the benefit of those 12 years (namely Hyundai, BMW, etc).

Can you help me better understand your POV here? What is it you see that makes you believe that Nissan leveraged learnings from the Leaf? I see glaring problems with the overall Ariya experience that I can't believe Nissan allowed to pass - Like for instance the inability to set the max charge capacity (or even provide for a Hilltop mode in any form). I gave Nissan a pass for that on my Leaf, and I'm honestly astounded that they didn't consider this a glaring omission on the Ariya, given how 'built in' that concept is for virtually all others EV's (particularly Tesla).

Also, things like the phone app, which they had years to improve, is no better now than it was 6 years ago (which to say is 'poor' when weighed against Tesla).

My only guess is that the Ariya probably isn't really a Nissan product when it comes down to the nuts and volts - It's probably more a Renault wearing a Nissan badge, and built in a Nissan factory.

I'd like to think that the overall R&D (at least everything about it that's poorly executed, or poorly decided), must have been a factor of Renault's program leadership/participation. That's the only way I can make myself feel better about the Nissan brand (which I've loved for 30 years) showing up with the underwhelming Ariya as the follow-on to such a fantastic, game-changing product as the Leaf.

To me, it seems like the Ariya program didn't translate any of that 12 years into a substantial advantage over the competition.Rather, it feels like an EV that's delivering customer expectations from 4 years ago (like the 130kw/hr max charge rate as an example, or the ho-hum efficiency / real-world range given the relatively huge 91kw/hr battery).

Sorry to be a contrarian to your very upbeat postings, but I think plenty of folks here are having similar thoughts as mine.

Ariya charging curve vs the competition. I experienced the same identical result on my Evolve+

 

[Hank]

As a huge fan of the Leaf, I've written here that my positive experience with the Leaf was probably the single biggest reason I put in my Ariya preorder (Platinum+) over a year ago.

Since then, I've been eagerly reading everyone's opinions and experiences, and I'm starting to understand (sadly) that I'm not the only person questioning what exactly those 12 yrs of electrification experience has given us; especially when you compare the Ariya against EV competitors that didn't have the benefit of those 12 years (namely Hyundai, BMW, etc).

Can you help me better understand your POV here? What is it you see that makes you believe that Nissan leveraged learnings from the Leaf? I see glaring problems with the overall Ariya experience that I can't believe Nissan allowed to pass - Like for instance the inability to set the max charge capacity (or even provide for a Hilltop mode in any form). I gave Nissan a pass for that on my Leaf, and I'm honestly astounded that they didn't consider this a glaring omission on the Ariya, given how 'built in' that concept is for virtually all others EV's (particularly Tesla).

Also, things like the phone app, which they had years to improve, is no better now than it was 6 years ago (which to say is 'poor' when weighed against Tesla).

My only guess is that the Ariya probably isn't really a Nissan product when it comes down to the nuts and volts - It's probably more a Renault wearing a Nissan badge, and built in a Nissan factory.

I'd like to think that the overall R&D (at least everything about it that's poorly executed, or poorly decided), must have been a factor of Renault's program leadership/participation. That's the only way I can make myself feel better about the Nissan brand (which I've loved for 30 years) showing up with the underwhelming Ariya as the follow-on to such a fantastic, game-changing product as the Leaf.

To me, it seems like the Ariya program didn't translate any of that 12 years into a substantial advantage over the competition.Rather, it feels like an EV that's delivering customer expectations from 4 years ago (like the 130kw/hr max charge rate as an example, or the ho-hum efficiency / real-world range given the relatively huge 91kw/hr battery).

Sorry to be a contrarian to your very upbeat postings, but I think plenty of folks here are having similar thoughts as mine.

I don’t know how the Leaf performed in the crash test but don’t you think Nissan should get credit for developing a very safe vehicle in the past 12 years of development?