Cancelled order 119xx

improvius said:

Huh, I haven't seen any negative reviews yet - especially regarding the driving dynamics. In any case, I may not end up buying, but I'm holding on to the reservation until the last minute. Never know what may happen, and it's good to have a spot in line in case I really need to replace a vehicle.

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Kryptok said:

It was a tough decision but had to do it. . The loss of the rebate with the ride impressions from reviews added up to my decision.
On the plus side someone just moved up the line for a Platinum+ .

My personal reasons were as follows:
Pros: Software should be reliable and less glitchy, Nissan's EV space experience, Nissan reliability (have leased 2 leafs original current version).
Cons: Exterior Design (especially the rear, I know this is subjective), Barrage of reviews that don't like the drive / ride / suspension dynamics (This is really worrisome, even though they may fine tune it for North America). Loss of the $7,500 Rebate and lastly, I don't think I will see it any time this year.

Have a Lyriq on order that I will accept, more money but hopefully a better option for me as I am liking what I hear about the GM Super cruise.

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Kryptok said:

It was a tough decision but had to do it. . The loss of the rebate with the ride impressions from reviews added up to my decision. On the plus side someone just moved up the line for a Platinum+ . My personal reasons were as follows: Pros: Software should be reliable and less glitchy, Nissan's EV space experience, Nissan reliability (have leased 2 leafs original current version). Cons: Exterior Design (especially the rear, I know this is subjective), Barrage of reviews that don't like the drive / ride / suspension dynamics (This is really worrisome, even though they may fine tune it for North America). Loss of the $7,500 Rebate and lastly, I don't think I will see it any time this year. Have a Lyriq on order that I will accept, more money but hopefully a better option for me as I am liking what I hear about the GM Super cruise.

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nexus2nexus said:

Super Cruise is a monthly subscription after a few years. No thanks.

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Maruko said:

Fyi

Propilot 2.0 also has a monthly subscription to get the mapping data

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kraanbalk said:

Where did you see this? At the drive event I recall them saying it would be free “for a few years” but they couldn’t commit beyond that. I don’t think it was going to cost anything right away.

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Kryptok said:

Mostly personal reasons, $58K is more than I'm willing to pay for the Ariya, I won't qualify for the Rebate next year, almost no chance I will see the AWD this year. Have an ID4 now with surprisingly good ride quality which is mentioned in most reviews, (watching the reviews of the Ariya there are just too many people that briefly suggest the busy suspension as a problem, and I have gotten better from past experience at reading between the lines of these Manufacturer invited reviews, that tactfully gloss over the problems, in an effort to maintain their integrity while not upsetting the host.)
Last straw was the IRS has the FWD Ariya listed as eligible for the Rebate but not he AWD. Maybe they know that the AWD isn't coming this year too. [ IRC 30D New Qualified Plug-In Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Credit | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)]
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Apg9176 said:

Hey! My wife is registering her Ayria as business vehicle. Works for beverage company.. driving store to store everyday...Does that mean she qualifies for the 7500 credit?

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voxel said:

I don't get the obsession with the tax credit. This year, EVs will sell out regardless of them. Ford raised prices for the Mach-E significantly basically negating any benefit of the continuation of the tax credit for them.

I had an 2021 ID.4... it was cheap and budgety. An equivalent gas SUV would cost $15K less. The mid-spec Ariya I test drove was already far more luxurious and feature complete than the top trim 2022 ID.4 Pro S Gradient ($52.5K) I declined last month after a 10 month wait. The Platinum+ is definitely worth $58K when you have a Model Y at $66K and other Korean EVs around the same price point with smaller batteries (lower range) and even fewer features. To get equivalent set of features (360 camera, hands-free driving, HUD, digital rear view mirror, premium audio, larger than 80 kWh battery, etc) you have to move to a BMW iX which is about $100K+

I'm a current owner of an BMW i4 and while it's a fantastic EV/car... I'm not paying $110K for an SUV version in the iX when the Ariya Platinum+ is almost as nice for half the price.

I also have a Lyriq RWD order at $62K - that I thought without the tax credit was a great deal - but now with the possibility of a tax credit for it... it would be a downright steal.

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Maruko said:

I think it might be brand specific. Looking at how Volvo plugins and evs sales are down the month right after the removal of the tax credit. And they have lots of stock in their dealerships and no one is buying them.

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Lucie said:

can you provide links to the reviews that show the problems you stated?

so far the only delivered Ariyas are in Japan and UK. All the REAL customers in UK are unanimous that the ride quality is above anything they’ve seen.

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Lucie said:

Cons: Exterior Design (especially the rear, I know this is subjective), Barrage of reviews that don't like the drive / ride / suspension dynamics (This is really worrisome, even though they may fine tune it for North America)

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