Cold battery?
DC Charge Rate
I posted some pictures and information in other threads about the delivery of three Ariyas to Nissan of Tustin.
One of the Ariyas was put on a DC fast charger, which I believe is an ABB Terra 54, which should charge at up to 50 kW.
The first picture is shortly after the charging started, showing 1 minute, 1 second elapsed time, 43 kW charge rate, 0.676 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 13%.
The second picture is a bit later, showing 27 minutes, 59 seconds, 45 kW charge rate, 20.558 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 39%
For this example, the average charge rate is 0.737 kW,
I know there are many factors that determine actual charge rate, but using a simple calculation, the 0.737 kW rate would mean that a charge to go from 20% to 80% may take around 71 minutes.
Does anyone know if the charge around 43-45 is a typical maximum for the ABB Terra 54? The Ariya should be capable of accepting up to 130 kW.
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One of the Ariyas was put on a DC fast charger, which I believe is an ABB Terra 54, which should charge at up to 50 kW.
The first picture is shortly after the charging started, showing 1 minute, 1 second elapsed time, 43 kW charge rate, 0.676 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 13%.
The second picture is a bit later, showing 27 minutes, 59 seconds, 45 kW charge rate, 20.558 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 39%
For this example, the average charge rate is 0.737 kW,
I know there are many factors that determine actual charge rate, but using a simple calculation, the 0.737 kW rate would mean that a charge to go from 20% to 80% may take around 71 minutes.
Does anyone know if the charge around 43-45 is a typical maximum for the ABB Terra 54? The Ariya should be capable of accepting up to 130 kW.
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Probably not. The high in Tustin today was 74 F, and probably upper 60's when I took the pictures.Cold battery?
I forgot to mention that I think the software on these chargers may have been updated recently. On my 2015 LEAF, the charge rate is noticeably lower, and tapers off earlier as well. It was the same at three different Nissan dealers in the pas few days.
If the charger is a 50kW charger, that’s the maximum that hardware will deliver. It seems unlikely you’re being limited by the vehicle.I posted some pictures and information in other threads about the delivery of three Ariyas to Nissan of Tustin.
One of the Ariyas was put on a DC fast charger, which I believe is an ABB Terra 54, which should charge at up to 50 kW.
The first picture is shortly after the charging started, showing 1 minute, 1 second elapsed time, 43 kW charge rate, 0.676 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 13%.
The second picture is a bit later, showing 27 minutes, 59 seconds, 45 kW charge rate, 20.558 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 39%
For this example, the average charge rate is 0.737 kW,
I know there are many factors that determine actual charge rate, but using a simple calculation, the 0.737 kW rate would mean that a charge to go from 20% to 80% may take around 71 minutes.
Does anyone know if the charge around 43-45 is a typical maximum for the ABB Terra 54? The Ariya should be capable of accepting up to 130 kW.
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At electrify America, I was able to take 91KW charge capacity. I would think it is the charger not the vehicle.I posted some pictures and information in other threads about the delivery of three Ariyas to Nissan of Tustin.
One of the Ariyas was put on a DC fast charger, which I believe is an ABB Terra 54, which should charge at up to 50 kW.
The first picture is shortly after the charging started, showing 1 minute, 1 second elapsed time, 43 kW charge rate, 0.676 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 13%.
The second picture is a bit later, showing 27 minutes, 59 seconds, 45 kW charge rate, 20.558 kWh delivered, and the battery pack at 39%
For this example, the average charge rate is 0.737 kW,
I know there are many factors that determine the actual charge rate, but using a simple calculation, the 0.737 kW rate would mean that a charge to go from 20% to 80% may take around 71 minutes.
Does anyone know if the charge around 43-45 is a typical maximum for the ABB Terra 54? The Ariya should be capable of accepting up to 130 kW.
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Agreed, it is most likely the charger that was the limit. This guy does a decent job explaining what all the numbers mean and what to look out for:If the charger is a 50kW charger, that’s the maximum that hardware will deliver. It seems unlikely you’re being limited by the vehicle.
I had a similar issue with my Aria Evolve+ when I did my first charging at an EVGo charging station that has a 350KW rating. I started at 40% and untill 80%, the charge rate did not go above 50KW. It was very annoying. I presumed that the battery temperature was too low because the temperature outside was like 50F. Since then I did not charge again. Is there an optimal temperature for the charging to be at 130kw or at least above 100kw? Does anyone has a chart between Outdoor Temperature vs Charging rate?
See this video, right at the beginning. You'll want to turn it on a good ways before getting to the charging station to give it time to heat up the battery. Bjorn's testing didn't seem to indicate a big reduction in range as a result of using the heater on his trip the arctic circle.I had a similar issue with my Aria Evolve+ when I did my first charging at an EVGo charging station that has a 350KW rating. I started at 40% and untill 80%, the charge rate did not go above 50KW. It was very annoying. I presumed that the battery temperature was too low because the temperature outside was like 50F. Since then I did not charge again. Is there an optimal temperature for the charging to be at 130kw or at least above 100kw? Does anyone has a chart between Outdoor Temperature vs Charging rate?
Thanks for the info. I watched all Bjørns Nyland videos from Youtube. He is the best source of information on Ariya. Yes I learned about the battery heater from the Owner Manual while I was charging that day. but after I turned the heater on, nothing changed even if the whole charging took 50 minutes. Next time I will start at 20% and start the heater 60 minutes before charging (I will depleat the battery for heating) in the hope that the charging will be faster. Wish me luckSee this video, right at the beginning. ....
Definitely wishing you luck, and would like to know how it goes, since I live in a cold climate as well.
I live in cold weather and have had my Ariya Evolve since January 13. So far I have only charged at Public Level 2 chargers to keep me in 60-70% battery range. I am trying to plan for a long trip (99 miles each way) using DC chargers and some local level 2 in Barrington RI. The Mache preconditions battery by charging at Level 2. Does this make any sense for the Ariya or do I need to heat the battery before using DC charge? Thank youDefinitely wishing you luck, and would like to know how it goes, since I live in a cold climate as well.
You don't need to turn on the battery heater before DC fast charging the Ariya, but when it's cold, it will charge faster if you do. It seems to be slow, so turn it on well in advance.
Hi @arlene.aizercohen welcome to the forum! Does the cold affect your range that much where you need to stop at a DC charger? Are you able to charge at your destination instead?I live in cold weather and have had my Ariya Evolve since January 13. So far I have only charged at Public Level 2 chargers to keep me in 60-70% battery range. I am trying to plan for a long trip (99 miles each way) using DC chargers and some local level 2 in Barrington RI. The Mache preconditions battery by charging at Level 2. Does this make any sense for the Ariya or do I need to heat the battery before using DC charge? Thank you
Thank you for your helpful reply. I don’t know enough about my range, and I have been using only public level 2 chargers but I only get up to 70% since I can’t charge overnight at home.Hi @arlene.aizercohen welcome to the forum! Does the cold affect your range that much where you need to stop at a DC charger? Are you able to charge at your destination instead?
Faced the exact same thing today. First time to evgo.. opted for a 200kw charging station. Enrolled into evgo autocharge+ for fast charging via the app.I had a similar issue with my Aria Evolve+ when I did my first charging at an EVGo charging station that has a 350KW rating. I started at 40% and untill 80%, the charge rate did not go above 50KW. It was very annoying. I presumed that the battery temperature was too low because the temperature outside was like 50F. Since then I did not charge again. Is there an optimal temperature for the charging to be at 130kw or at least above 100kw? Does anyone has a chart between Outdoor Temperature vs Charging rate?
Turned on the battery heater. Charged from 14% to 85%.. 52 mins in total.. max charging speed was 52kw.
Also if you look into the screen print.. kwh dispensed doesn't sum up the 71% charge.. the calculation is more like a 63kw battery was the 87kw we have.
I am all confused now
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From what it appears the battery heater should be on long before you charge, since it will take time to actual heat the battery, I would think 30-60+ minutes. If you live in the cold and still fast charge, then probably just leave the heater in the on position.Faced the exact same thing today. First time to evgo.. opted for a 200kw charging station. Enrolled into evgo autocharge+ for fast charging via the app.
Turned on the battery heater. Charged from 14% to 85%.. 52 mins in total.. max charging speed was 52kw.
Also if you look into the screen print.. kwh dispensed doesn't sum up the 71% charge.. the calculation is more like a 63kw battery was the 87kw we have.
I am all confused now
Understood thanks..From what it appears the battery heater should be on long before you charge, since it will take time to actual heat the battery, I would think 30-60+ minutes. If you live in the cold and still fast charge, then probably just leave the heater in the on position.
But is the battery% also kinda rigged by Nissan.
I know they leave a small proportion as reserve to ensure at 0% , there is still some juice to reach somewhere closeby.
However 43.5kwh accounting for 71% charge is way abnormal. By that math, 100% charge would be around 61-62 kwh..
I drive a premiere which has a 87kw battery.
Did anyone else observed this discrepancy?
You might refer to a range test video by YTuber Bjorn Nyland. From what you’re describing here he noted a similar characteristic. ie even a fully depleted battery when fully charged only allowed him to add just under 80KW. So suggests that the built in buffer is closer to more like 11 KW.?Understood thanks..
But is the battery% also kinda rigged by Nissan.
I know they leave a small proportion as reserve to ensure at 0% , there is still some juice to reach somewhere closeby.
However 43.5kwh accounting for 71% charge is way abnormal. By that math, 100% charge would be around 61-62 kwh..
I drive a premiere which has a 87kw battery.
Did anyone else observed this discrepancy?
Thanks.. saw all the videos on range and 1000km test. Very interesting that you can drive about 20 miles at 0%. I am not gonna risk doing that which effectively mean, that whatever range I see ony screen will never be achieved.You might refer to a range test video by YTuber Bjorn Nyland. From what you’re describing here he noted a similar characteristic. ie even a fully depleted battery when fully charged only allowed him to add just under 80KW. So suggests that the built in buffer is closer to more like 11 KW.?
However Bjorn's charging analysis was between 90 and 115kw (no idea what ideal conditions would get it to 130kw) but we are struggling to get over 50kw at stations here
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