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I've been doing a lot of research on EV manufacturers' websites, trading emails with them, speaking with salespeople and doing a couple of test drives. I've noticed some common themes in the language they use. I started to write down a few examples of what is stated publicly and what it really means to me. As I wrote, more just flowed out, here's my list below. Call me silly, cynical or anything else you like, my opinions only. Feel free to add to this list ;-)

coming soon – nobody knows when
infotainment - a repository of zero day exploits containing partially developed, untested software
OTA updates will increase range - an admission of inadequate hardware
up to - not likely achieveable by you
bold colour palette - an upcharge to put paint on the car
subscription included - you will pay more later
pilot – a feature which increases insurance claims
refundable – a monetized fishing hook which is difficult to remove
delivery - a moving target in the distant future
acceleration - increasing heart rate while decreasing battery life
flat tire kit – no spare tire provided
driver remains responsible - we're not sure how it will behave
EPA estimated – third party offering for range anxiety
few moving parts - "new"merous electrical failure modes
charging network - a node of functional incompatibility
incentive – a dollar amount which is buried into the car's purchase price
existing inventory – null set
fast charging – time duration grossly exceeding a gasoline fill
automatic – causing damage faster than a human can
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I've been doing a lot of research on EV manufacturers' websites, trading emails with them, speaking with salespeople and doing a couple of test drives. I've noticed some common themes in the language they use. I started to write down a few examples of what is stated publicly and what it really means to me. As I wrote, more just flowed out, here's my list below. Call me silly, cynical or anything else you like, my opinions only. Feel free to add to this list ;-)

coming soon – nobody knows when
infotainment - a repository of zero day exploits containing partially developed, untested software
OTA updates will increase range - an admission of inadequate hardware
up to - not likely achieveable by you
bold colour palette - an upcharge to put paint on the car
subscription included - you will pay more later
pilot – a feature which increases insurance claims
refundable – a monetized fishing hook which is difficult to remove
delivery - a moving target in the distant future
acceleration - increasing heart rate while decreasing battery life
flat tire kit – no spare tire provided
driver remains responsible - we're not sure how it will behave
EPA estimated – third party offering for range anxiety
few moving parts - "new"merous electrical failure modes
charging network - a node of functional incompatibility
incentive – a dollar amount which is buried into the car's purchase price
existing inventory – null set
fast charging – time duration grossly exceeding a gasoline fill
automatic – causing damage faster than a human can

This list kinda is how I feel. Glad I am not alone!
Nissan seems to have no idea on what they sell. They keep referring customers to talk to the dealers, which obviously don't know more than what they have been trained to do or say. When trying to get someone in Nissan to get questions answered, they don't know anything. All they do is check on the manual that I already have and read. For example, why my new 2023 Ariya came with a spare tire case in the trunk and didn't came with the tire? Their answer: "check with your dealer" (How can I know if the dealer stole my spare tire? How can I know know what models came with a spare tire and why mine doesn't have it included but have the casing empty?) It is insane. I also ask how can I set as default the eStep and the Eco mode and apparently, there is no way to set that as default so you have to switch that EEEEEVERY single time you are driving. I wanted to know if the Autopilot 1.5 can be upgraded to 2.0 either software upgrade or getting additional hardware added to the unit since the 2.0 uses a face sensor. None of my questions were answered.
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Yes, the inability to answer questions is frustrating. Just to try to help ...
For example, why my new 2023 Ariya came with a spare tire case in the trunk and didn't came with the tire? Their answer: "check with your dealer" (How can I know if the dealer stole my spare tire? How can I know know what models came with a spare tire and why mine doesn't have it included but have the casing empty?
None of the trims come with a spare tire, which can be determined by looking at the features for the various trims on the website, and Nissan doesn't offer it as an accessory or spare part either. Neither Nissan nor your dealer will be able to help you with this because it's just not offered. Yes, the folk that designed the car designed it with a spot for a limited-service spare in at least some trims (AWD might not have this spot), but it's up to you to source your own.
I also ask how can I set as default the eStep and the Eco mode and apparently, there is no way to set that as default so you have to switch that EEEEEVERY single time you are driving.
Hopefully obvious, but no one can tell you how to do something that can't be done. In theory, Nissan could provide this in a future update, but we'll have to wait and see. If you got the survey, let them know what you would like to see changed.
I wanted to know if the Autopilot 1.5 can be upgraded to 2.0 either software upgrade or getting additional hardware added to the unit since the 2.0 uses a face sensor. None of my questions were answered.
Nissan doesn't offer this as an upgrade. Since Nissan doesn't offer it, your dealership won't be able to help you either. I seem to recall that there are differences in the road sensors/cameras in addition to the face sensor, and in the computer controlling the system. While improvements to ProPilot 1.5 may be provided, I'd be surprised if Nissan offers an upgrade from 1.5 to 2.0. This is similar to other cars too - Chevy and Ford don't offer SuperCruise or BlueCruise upgrades for cars that didn't come with them, nor FSD to a Tesla that lacks the hardware for it.
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Yes, the inability to answer questions is frustrating. Just to try to help ... None of the trims come with a spare tire, which can be determined by looking at the features for the various trims on the website, and Nissan doesn't offer it as an accessory or spare part either. Neither Nissan nor your dealer will be able to help you with this because it's just not offered. Yes, the folk that designed the car designed it with a spot for a limited-service spare in at least some trims (AWD might not have this spot), but it's up to you to source your own. Hopefully obvious, but no one can tell you how to do something that can't be done. In theory, Nissan could provide this in a future update, but we'll have to wait and see. If you got the survey, let them know what you would like to see changed. Nissan doesn't offer this as an upgrade. Since Nissan doesn't offer it, your dealership won't be able to help you either. I seem to recall that there are differences in the road sensors/cameras in addition to the face sensor, and in the computer controlling the system. While improvements to ProPilot 1.5 may be provided, I'd be surprised if Nissan offers an upgrade from 1.5 to 2.0. This is similar to other cars too - Chevy and Ford don't offer SuperCruise or BlueCruise upgrades for cars that didn't come with them, nor FSD to a Tesla that lacks the hardware for it.
This is super helpful. It is what I was thinking but not even Nissan wanted to tell me this. For me, its just stupid to have a spot for a spare tire that is not provided nor can be purchased on their site. All these car manufacturers are trying to replicate Tesla in the method of selling cars and technology but doing it poorly. AutoPilot not being upgradable means my new Ariya will be for the next 6 years or as long as I might have it, never being capable of achieve the point of Tesla with software updates. Obviously they want you to purchase a new unit and that is not what Tesla is looking for. They want everyone to own one but not to be changing a model every 3 yrs because the technology becomes obsolete.
Nissan seems to have no idea on what they sell. They keep referring customers to talk to the dealers, which obviously don't know more than what they have been trained to do or say. When trying to get someone in Nissan to get questions answered, they don't know anything. All they do is check on the manual that I already have and read. For example, why my new 2023 Ariya came with a spare tire case in the trunk and didn't came with the tire? Their answer: "check with your dealer" (How can I know if the dealer stole my spare tire? How can I know know what models came with a spare tire and why mine doesn't have it included but have the casing empty?) It is insane. I also ask how can I set as default the eStep and the Eco mode and apparently, there is no way to set that as default so you have to switch that EEEEEVERY single time you are driving. I wanted to know if the Autopilot 1.5 can be upgraded to 2.0 either software upgrade or getting additional hardware added to the unit since the 2.0 uses a face sensor. None of my questions were answered.
The manual says (I added the link to the online manual)
"To keep the e-Step system activated even if the EV system is restarted,turn the "Retain Mode" ON in the"Driver Assistance" menu of the vehicle information display. (See“Settings” (P.2-25).).The "Retain Mode" setting is not reset by using the "Factory Reset"setting.e-Step"



ProPilot 2.0 appears to have additional hardware sensors in the front bumper areas.
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