[Cecoffm]

I reserved a Premier Ariya back in March. I am # 33,447 on the reservation list. Based on what I've read, it looks like the reservation list started at # 10,000. I was told the vehicles would be ready in late Fall.

My question to the team is how likely is it that the $7,500 federal tax credit is still available at the time we receive our Ariya's? Will this factor into your decision to purchase the vehicle?

Thanks,

 

[atreis]

I'm in the first 1000 reservation holders, so will very likely qualify for the credit. That said, I would buy it regardless. I view the tax credit as a pleasant bonus rather than a requirement.

 

[kraanbalk]

You should be fine. It’s starts to phases out two quarters (6 months) after reaching 200k. At the end of 2021 they had sold 165. Assuming 15k in Leafs for 2022, that would leave 20k Ariyas before hitting the limit. Even if they hit the 200k before you get yours, you still would have about 6 months before the full credit expires.

 

[jag]

Also see the following links:

Did US pre-order reservation numbers start at 10,000?

From various EV forums, I've culled as many examples of US pre-order reservation numbers as I could find. Several of those forum users said they ordered immediately as the Ariya preorder/reservations website went live back on Nov 17. So far, I have not found a single example of anyone stating...

www.ariyaforums.com

Federal $7,500 Tax Credit (2022 update)

Looks like, Nissan has already sold ~170,000 Leaf as of 2022/Q1. Nissan Leaf US car sales figures (carsalesbase.com) At the current Leaf sales rate of ~4,000 per quarter, at minimum the first ~18,000 Ariya purchasers will qualify for the full federal tax credit. Very likely, all of the Ariya...

www.ariyaforums.com

 

[Rajh]

I reserved a Premier Ariya back in March. I am # 33,447 on the reservation list. Based on what I've read, it looks like the reservation list started at # 10,000. I was told the vehicles would be ready in late Fall.

My question to the team is how likely is it that the $7,500 federal tax credit is still available at the time we receive our Ariya's? Will this factor into your decision to purchase the vehicle?

Thanks,

The baseline number for the reservation started at 10101. The orders reservation system also increments this baseline number by 3 for every reservation. You are 7,782 reservation # in the queue and most likely get your Ariya in 2023.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

I reserved a Premier Ariya back in March. I am # 33,447 on the reservation list. Based on what I've read, it looks like the reservation list started at # 10,000. I was told the vehicles would be ready in late Fall.

My question to the team is how likely is it that the $7,500 federal tax credit is still available at the time we receive our Ariya's? Will this factor into your decision to purchase the vehicle?

Thanks,

I recently read an article published on July 3rd by Inside EVs regarding this matter. This article revealed that as of June 30, 2022 Nissan was still 26,668 EV units away from hitting the dreaded 200k threshold . As many are aware, there is literally zero Leaf inventory available nationwide that aren’t actual pre-orders. Combined with low inventory numbers, only a handful of pre-order Leaf models are in the queue after Nissan decided recently to halt all Leaf pre-orders until further notice.
So unless something changes it is safe to assume that a very low number of Leaf units will be sold in quaters 3 and 4 of 2022. Then the question remains, how many Ariyas will actually be built and sold fall/winter of 2022? >Considering the recent curtailment of the Leaf, is Nissan now planning to pace their EV production and sales to magically hit the 200k EV threshold on July 1, 2023?
If the above scenario becomes a reality, Nissan will be able to offer both the Leaf and Ariya model sales with the full federal tax credit incentive for the remaining 2023 calendar year.

 

[ravi295]

reserved aiya venture plus long range, my reservation in first 1000 list
what is my ev tax credit situation

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

reserved aiya venture plus long range, my reservation in first 1000 list
what is my ev tax credit situation

Hard to speculate at this moment until the final version of this bill either passes or doesn’t. The last version of this bill reported a few days ago indicated that even if you took possession of your Ariya in 2022, if that bill was signed into law before you had finalized a sales order you could be out of luck. In effect, the grandfathered clause of the current version of this bill only recognized EV production assembled in AmerIca. So the Nissan Leaf would still qualify for a tax credit under that version of the bill but not the Ariya because it is currently assembled in Japan.

Personally I believe Nissan is monitoring this legislation very closely and will become extremely motivated as needed to create a suitable financial path for all USA Ariya reservation holders to maintain their ability to claim the federal tax credit.

 

[RBednar]

The baseline number for the reservation started at 10101. The orders reservation system also increments this baseline number by 3 for every reservation. You are 7,782 reservation # in the queue and most likely get your Ariya in 2023.

I reserved my Platinum+ on 3/28/22 and I am number 34098.

 

[RBednar]

I reserved a Premier Ariya back in March. I am # 33,447 on the reservation list. Based on what I've read, it looks like the reservation list started at # 10,000. I was told the vehicles would be ready in late Fall.

My question to the team is how likely is it that the $7,500 federal tax credit is still available at the time we receive our Ariya's? Will this factor into your decision to purchase the vehicle?

Thanks,

With the passing of the Inflation Reduction Act, it appears that NO Ariya will receive a $7,500 tax credit because they are not "assembled in North America"! I have been trying to get that fact verified via the Ariya Presales Chat Line, and they said "We don't know; call your dealer." I have an email out to my dealer (the formal way to ask questions) and I will post what I find out. But from my reading of the Act, there will be no tax credit even for those of us who have reserved one and may receive delivery in 2022. Nissan has announced plans to build the Ariya in a Mississippi plant in 2025, so I(we) may have to wait until then to get our 'affordable' Ariya. I was pressed to reserve one BECAUSE of the tax credit, which I feared would've been phased out in 2023 because of the (previous) 200,000 EV sales mark being close for Nissan because of the 170,000 Leafs already sold. Now (a) there is no phase-out at 200,000 units, but (b) Ariya's will not be eligible for a tax credit. Bummer!! (And I ned not point out that dealers are left to 'price' new cars above MSRP ... and will have done so with the Ariya's. That double whammy would/does make an Ariya purchase cost-prohibitive for too many customers.)

 

[ravi295]

Hard to speculate at this moment until the final version of this bill either passes or doesn’t. The last version of this bill reported a few days ago indicated that even if you took possession of your Ariya in 2022, if that bill was signed into law before you had finalized a sales order you could be out of luck. In effect, the grandfathered clause of the current version of this bill only recognized EV production assembled in AmerIca. So the Nissan Leaf would still qualify for a tax credit under that version of the bill but not the Ariya because it is currently assembled in Japan.

Personally I believe Nissan is monitoring this legislation very closely and will become extremely motivated as needed to create a suitable financial path for all USA Ariya reservation holders to maintain their ability to claim the federal tax credit.

Before Biden signs this week's new bill...if Nissan can create Binding Agreement for the existing...reservation holders...still we can get $7500 ev tax credits
Already Rivian and Fisker EV manufacturers...preparing the Binding Purchase agreements. What it means, part of deposit we paid will go to sale agreement, with that we can as usual, claim our $7500 tax credit, in 2023 taxes.
So, Nissan should, wake-up and help for 2022 delivery holders, existing. First 25000 reservation holders..to get $7500...existing EV tax credit
This is possible...I am in first 1000 members Ariya reservation list. Nissan USA...do something, we don't want to loose $7500 tax credit
We hope, Nissan such a big corporate giant, will be watching these developments, try to work out solution, just like other Fiskars and Rivian EV manufacture's

 

[ravi295]

....Nissan Ariya can get $7500...existing tax credit. How I want to explain, Before Biden signs this week's new bill...if Nissan can create Binding Agreement for the existing...reservation holders...still we can get $7500 ev tax credits
Already Rivian and Fisker EV manufacturers...preparing the Binding Purchase agreements. What it means, part of deposit we paid will go to sale agreement, with that we can as usual, claim our $7500 tax credit, in 2023 taxes.
So, Nissan should, wake-up and help for 2022 delivery holders, existing. First 25000 reservation holders..to get $7500...existing EV tax credit
This is possible...I am in first 1000 members Ariya reservation list. Nissan USA...do something, we don't want to loose $7500 tax credit
We hope, Nissan such a big corporate giant, will be watching these developments, try to work out solution, just like other Fiskars and Rivian EV manufacture's

 

[Chris.J.II]

Before Biden signs this week's new bill...if Nissan can create Binding Agreement for the existing...reservation holders...still we can get $7500 ev tax credits
Already Rivian and Fisker EV manufacturers...preparing the Binding Purchase agreements. What it means, part of deposit we paid will go to sale agreement, with that we can as usual, claim our $7500 tax credit, in 2023 taxes.
So, Nissan should, wake-up and help for 2022 delivery holders, existing. First 25000 reservation holders..to get $7500...existing EV tax credit
This is possible...I am in first 1000 members Ariya reservation list. Nissan USA...do something, we don't want to loose $7500 tax credit
We hope, Nissan such a big corporate giant, will be watching these developments, try to work out solution, just like other Fiskars and Rivian EV manufacture's

I heard about the Rivian agreements, I think for $100 they'll do it, which relatively speaking is peanuts. I really hope Nissan can get on this before it's too late.

 

[Chris.J.II]

With the passing of the Inflation Reduction Act, it appears that NO Ariya will receive a $7,500 tax credit because they are not "assembled in North America"! I have been trying to get that fact verified via the Ariya Presales Chat Line, and they said "We don't know; call your dealer." I have an email out to my dealer (the formal way to ask questions) and I will post what I find out. But from my reading of the Act, there will be no tax credit even for those of us who have reserved one and may receive delivery in 2022. Nissan has announced plans to build the Ariya in a Mississippi plant in 2025, so I(we) may have to wait until then to get our 'affordable' Ariya. I was pressed to reserve one BECAUSE of the tax credit, which I feared would've been phased out in 2023 because of the (previous) 200,000 EV sales mark being close for Nissan because of the 170,000 Leafs already sold. Now (a) there is no phase-out at 200,000 units, but (b) Ariya's will not be eligible for a tax credit. Bummer!! (And I ned not point out that dealers are left to 'price' new cars above MSRP ... and will have done so with the Ariya's. That double whammy would/does make an Ariya purchase cost-prohibitive for too many customers.)

Hopefully you hear back from your dealer but I have a feeling they'll redirect you back to someone at Nissan.

 

[ravi295]

Hopefully you hear back from your dealer,
but I have a feeling they'll redirect you back to someone at Nissan.

Just saw, Rivian agreements, simple sale agreements', as Chris J said...$100 out of our reservation deposit, made it nonrefundable
with this sale agreements, present existing EV Credit tax rule applies....so everyone who is taking 2022 deliveries will get it
Nothing to do with dealer, nissan corporate office can do it, over email format

 

[Jayway]

I was the 596th reservation but because I ordered Platinum+ with E4orce I won't get mine this year, Hopefully when Nissan figures it out and gets us binding written contracts they will carry into next year

 

[RBednar]

Hopefully you hear back from your dealer but I have a feeling they'll redirect you back to someone at Nissan.

IMPORTANT UPDATE FOR RESERVED ARIYA CUSTOMERS
After a visit to my dealer (who didn't even seem to KNOW about the Inflation Reduction Act and its ramifications to the Ariya tax credit, he said a dealer CANNOT enter into a binding contract WITHOUT a VIN number ... and since no Ariya's are available yet, there was no way he could let me sign a contract. I told him to contact Corporate Nissan to see what they might do.

RESULT: All customers who have reserved an Ariya will be getting an email from Corporate Nissan today or tomorrow which, I presume, will be a legal means of entering into a BINDING AGREE#MENT for the Ariya. I am being told that the customer MUST select the I AGREE option to bind the agreement. (Know that, unlike one's ability to back-out of the reserved Ariya purchase and receive the $500 back, entering into a binding contract is just that: You are agreeing to follow through with your Ariya when delivered.)

IMPORTANT: You MUST select the I AGREE option BEFORE Biden signs the Act, which he will do sometime shortly after the House approves it. So, READ YOUR EMAIL RELIGIOUSLY and select the I AGREE AS SOON AS YOU GET THE EMAIL if you want to get the $7.500 tax credit.

P.S. I also sent an email to my dealer also agreeing to sign a contract without a VIN number provided that I( receive delivery of the exact Platinum+ as specified in my reservation. Although the dealer said they don't "keep a file" of letters like this, I still sent it with a RECEIVED option so that, should the IRS require additional information about my eligibility for the tax refund, I will have BOTH the Corporate Nissan's agreed-to email and the signed email I sent o my dealer ... for whatever evidence that might serve.

ACT FAST!!!

 

[RBednar]

I received the binding agreement email and selected I Agree, so that's all Ariya-reserved customers have to do for now. However, there is one additional issue which could throw a wrench into getting the full $7,500 tax credit. Since Nissan has sold over 170,00 Leafs so far, and since, when we selected I Agree, we are on the 'current' tax credit rule. Should Leaf purchases that take place BEFORE we get our Ariya's take the total EV sales to 200,000, the phase-out rule that we're under kicks in. So, there is a chance that some of us getting the later Ariya's might see the tax credit being reduced per the phase-pout rule. But, on the other hand, perspective Leaf customers are under NO HURRY to purchase their Leaf since they are assembled in North America and, thus, fall OUTSIDE any 200,000 quota (rescinded in the Act) or the requirement to be assembled here. So a perspective Ariya owner's best-case scenario is that perspective Leaf owners DELAY purchasing their Leaf until 2023, giving the Ariya-reserve owners the opportunity to receive their Ariya AND the full $7,500 tax credit. Maybe ... just maybe ... perspective Leaf owners will wait until Leaf prices come down in 2023 as supplies are increased???

 

[dyc488]

Hopefully you hear back from your dealer but I have a feeling they'll redirect you back to someone at Nissan.

Contact two dealers. Both said they don't have MSRP and referred me back to Nissan USA. Call/texted/emailed Nissan USA who responded with a phone call. The person referred me to the dealers and the binding contract. I can tell he was given the marching order to keep repeating the the same two things of dealers and binding contract. He did answer my question on whether the deposit is refundable which was yes. At the start of the call he stated we were on a recorded line. All this was on August 11th & 12th. I think i have a zero chance for the tax credit and 10% of getting an Ariya. Good luck everyone.

 

[jag]

Contact two dealers. Both said they don't have MSRP and referred me back to Nissan USA. Call/texted/emailed Nissan USA who responded with a phone call. The person referred me to the dealers and the binding contract. I can tell he was given the marching order to keep repeating the the same two things of dealers and binding contract. He did answer my question on whether the deposit is refundable which was yes. At the start of the call he stated we were on a recorded line. All this was on August 11th & 12th. I think i have a zero chance for the tax credit and 10% of getting an Ariya. Good luck everyone.

Why so negative? Nissan moved fast to convert reservations to "binding contract" for which many of us thankful. Nissan has already given us estimated MSRP as part of the reservation process. It is likely, dealers will honor MSRP for reservation holders. Let see how all this plays out.