Not at all, so long as my chosen dealer honors MSRP without add-ons (which I have in writing).
For US buyers: Would you still buy the Ariya without the tax credit?
Does losing the tax credit change your plans?
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Other, if it meets my requirements then I'll buy it regardless. Right now I don't really see anything else that does, but all the detailed specs are not available yet. Also, many other vehicles likely won't be eligible for the credit, right now it's unknown as to which ones really will be.
I will NOT purchase the Ariya if it is not eligible for the $7500 tax credit. I reserved my Platinum+ in Nov '21 so this will be a huge punch to the gut. Its pretty ridiculous that a bill designed to inspire EV sales & technology would penalize customers who were most excited to embrace EV's.
I reserved the Platinum (cause of the AWD performance + ProPilot 2)...I feel the MSRP of ~$59k is still a decent value for what it has to offer. The $7500 is definitely nice to offset the cost but not a deal breaker...however any additional Add-Ons and mark-up fees the dealer puts on will push the price point to a Tesla Model3 Performance (that I know I would enjoy driving more due to the performance). After going to the Ride and Drive event...the Ariya didn't really wow me, so I am tempted to jump ship if dealer markup is too excessive for me(> $2000)
Tying a car purchase to a tax strategy is not the best way to look at either transaction. A lot depends on each persons financial situation. Try to think a little clearer.
Then why even have a tax credit at all? The whole purpose is to make it easier for people to afford the car. I used it on my 2018 Leaf and I planned to on the Ariya.Tying a car purchase to a tax strategy is not the best way to look at either transaction. A lot depends on each persons financial situation. Try to think a little clearer.
Obviously it's going to be different for everyone. For me it's simply a question of whether or not the Ariya is still a good deal and worth the risk with a 14% price increase. And personally I don't think it is. Since I don't immediately need it (I already have an XC40 - the Ariya would be for my wife), I'm inclined to wait and see if the new tax bill cools the market. There may be discounts in the not-too-distant future if EVs start languishing on dealer lots.Tying a car purchase to a tax strategy is not the best way to look at either transaction. A lot depends on each persons financial situation. Try to think a little clearer.
Having a "tax credit" is a government tax policy issue. They are designed for many political and economic reasons. Many of the reasons are not connected to a vast cross section of the population. Just because the "tax credit" says $7.500 it does not mean you will actually receive that amount! If you only have a tax amount due equal or grater than $7,500 will you receive that value. If your tax burden is only $6,200 or $7,100 then that is all you are entitled to claim. With the standard deduction being $26,450 for a couple filing jointly having a tax burden above $7,500 should put you in a financial situation that buying a $50,000 car is not an issue.Then why even have a tax credit at all? The whole purpose is to make it easier for people to afford the car. I used it on my 2018 Leaf and I planned to on the Ariya.
I echo your sentiments 100%. The Ride and Drive convinced me that it was "above the bar" for consideration, but without the $7500 credit, I would no longer consider it a "bargain". Plus, it's clear that the new EV tax credit requirements are written in a way to give specific manufacturers an advantage, when it should have been written to give specific buyers (i.e., those considering buying EV's) an advantage.Obviously it's going to be different for everyone. For me it's simply a question of whether or not the Ariya is still a good deal and worth the risk with a 14% price increase. And personally I don't think it is. Since I don't immediately need it (I already have an XC40 - the Ariya would be for my wife), I'm inclined to wait and see if the new tax bill cools the market. There may be discounts in the not-too-distant future if EVs start languishing on dealer lots.
This surprising new/unexpected misdirection that is baked into the Inflation Reduction Act is leaving me with a very sour taste. I have phone calls into several local Nissan dealers right now in the PDX area, and whoever is the first to tell me that they'll sign a Vehicle Buyers Order at MSRP will get my pre-order. At least that documentation will give me a chance of getting the $7500, and I'll let the courts decide if a VIN-less VBS signed and dated with all tax/fees listed constitutes valid tax documentation for the EV tax credit.
Now we know why they hired 78K new IRS agents. That's how many it's going to take to deal with this $7500 rebate mess that the Inflation Reduction Act has now caused. It's almost like they don't want people to buy EV's, which is fine by me - I can wait until battery tech improves.
The new proposal takes the $7500 off the price up front. It is not a Federal tax credit as it is currently.Having a "tax credit" is a government tax policy issue. They are designed for many political and economic reasons. Many of the reasons are not connected to a vast cross section of the population. Just because the "tax credit" says $7.500 it does not mean you will actually receive that amount! If you only have a tax amount due equal or grater than $7,500 will you receive that value. If your tax burden is only $6,200 or $7,100 then that is all you are entitled to claim. With the standard deduction being $26,450 for a couple filing jointly having a tax burden above $7,500 should put you in a financial situation that buying a $50,000 car is not an issue.
Exactly right!I will NOT purchase the Ariya if it is not eligible for the $7500 tax credit. I reserved my Platinum+ in Nov '21 so this will be a huge punch to the gut. Its pretty ridiculous that a bill designed to inspire EV sales & technology would penalize customers who were most excited to embrace EV's.
Curious what car makers you think will be helped by the new EV tax credits and who won't be.I echo your sentiments 100%. The Ride and Drive convinced me that it was "above the bar" for consideration, but without the $7500 credit, I would no longer consider it a "bargain". Plus, it's clear that the new EV tax credit requirements are written in a way to give specific manufacturers an advantage, when it should have been written to give specific buyers (i.e., those considering buying EV's) an advantage.
This surprising new/unexpected misdirection that is baked into the Inflation Reduction Act is leaving me with a very sour taste. I have phone calls into several local Nissan dealers right now in the PDX area, and whoever is the first to tell me that they'll sign a Vehicle Buyers Order at MSRP will get my pre-order. At least that documentation will give me a chance of getting the $7500, and I'll let the courts decide if a VIN-less VBS signed and dated with all tax/fees listed constitutes valid tax documentation for the EV tax credit.
Now we know why they hired 78K new IRS agents. That's how many it's going to take to deal with this $7500 rebate mess that the Inflation Reduction Act has now caused. It's almost like they don't want people to buy EV's, which is fine by me - I can wait until battery tech improves.
Here’s a list of electric cars sold in the US that Consumer Reports says qualify for the federal tax credit today that won’t qualify next year:
Audi E-Tron
Fisker Ocean
Genesis GV60
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Hyundai Ioniq 6
Hyundai Kona Electric
Hyundai Nexo
Jaguar I-Pace
Kia EV6
Kia Niro Electric
Lexus RZ
Mazda MX-30
Mercedes-Benz EQB
Nissan Ariya
Polestar 2
Subaru Solterra
Toyota bZ4x
Toyota Mirai
Volkswagen ID.4 (only certain models)
Volvo C40
- according to Consumer Reports, here are the cars that will qualify for the new federal tax credit (assuming they do not run afoul of the battery materials sourcing restrictions):
Cadillac Lyriq (but only if it is classified as an SUV)
Chevrolet Blazer EV
Chevrolet Bolt
Chevrolet Bolt EUV
Chevrolet Silverado EV (with certain options and trim levels)
Ford F-150 Lightning (with certain options and trim levels)
Ford Mustang Mach-E
Nissan Leaf
Rivian R1S (with certain options and trim levels)
Rivian R1T (with certain options and trim levels)
Tesla Cybertruck (with certain options and trim levels)
Tesla Model 3 (with certain options and trim levels)
Good luck!
Audi E-Tron
Fisker Ocean
Genesis GV60
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Hyundai Ioniq 6
Hyundai Kona Electric
Hyundai Nexo
Jaguar I-Pace
Kia EV6
Kia Niro Electric
Lexus RZ
Mazda MX-30
Mercedes-Benz EQB
Nissan Ariya
Polestar 2
Subaru Solterra
Toyota bZ4x
Toyota Mirai
Volkswagen ID.4 (only certain models)
Volvo C40
- according to Consumer Reports, here are the cars that will qualify for the new federal tax credit (assuming they do not run afoul of the battery materials sourcing restrictions):
Cadillac Lyriq (but only if it is classified as an SUV)
Chevrolet Blazer EV
Chevrolet Bolt
Chevrolet Bolt EUV
Chevrolet Silverado EV (with certain options and trim levels)
Ford F-150 Lightning (with certain options and trim levels)
Ford Mustang Mach-E
Nissan Leaf
Rivian R1S (with certain options and trim levels)
Rivian R1T (with certain options and trim levels)
Tesla Cybertruck (with certain options and trim levels)
Tesla Model 3 (with certain options and trim levels)
Good luck!
Negative, but I might wait for an e-4orce Evolve+ instead of my reserved FWD Evolve+Does losing the tax credit change your plans?
I heard only 110 cord comes with Ariya??? anybody know?
Ariya made in Japan NO tax credit once new Biden bill passes. My dealer said no info on delivery date.as of Aug 8th I am #13xxx they said once they are notified of shipment they will contact and track keeping owners up to date? Anyone given a date I feel is just a guess. Also when I gave down pmt it showed MSRP for Evolve $48,950 now on Nissan site it says Starting MSRP $48,950 so you know what that means plus losing rebate.
Depends on the trim. If I remember right, the lowest trim comes with 120V cord. The others come with 120/240V.I heard only 110 cord comes with Ariya??? anybody know?
There are several roadblocks ahead for Ariya in order to get the tax credit. Rivian is allowing their customers to convert part of their deposit into a "nonrefundable" deposit. It's apparently their lawyers belief that this could be interpreted later by the taxman as a "binding written contract" to satisfy the IRA wording. It's a risk, however, if you later purchase the vehicle then do your taxes next year just to discover that the IRS won't accept that as a "binding written contract."
This is all such a shame and could have been completely avoided if the wording in the IRA read, "a binding written contract or reservation...."
Just adding "or reservation " would allow the reservations for EV's to be fulfilled and the environment to be helped. We'll have to see what happens.
This is all such a shame and could have been completely avoided if the wording in the IRA read, "a binding written contract or reservation...."
Just adding "or reservation " would allow the reservations for EV's to be fulfilled and the environment to be helped. We'll have to see what happens.
It would be nice to know I already spent $350 for level 2 (240v) chrging station at home I would guess many others also. Most people want to be ready to go when they get their vehicle, once again this info: could save people $$ they should give info: thanks What is considered lowest trim??Depends on the trim. If I remember right, the lowest trim comes with 120V cord. The others come with 120/240V.
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