[ab13]

I don’t think Nissan can really do a price decrease as I am pretty sure there R&D was pretty high on the Ariya and they are horizontally integrated meaning they depend on other suppliers and contractors which drives up costs. Tesla as we all know is vertically integrated meaning their supply chain is primarily controlled by them and majority of R&D is conducted in house. This way they can pull various levers on price, charging and production depending on external factors. Nissan does not have this capability and I am sure they spent a ton on the batteries so they’re gonna have to keep prices high to recover those costs. Just compare battery sizes and range on Tesla to Nissan. Tesla has a smaller battery and longer range and a heat pump. Anyone know if Nissan has a heat pump on the Ariya.

Also this is my opinion but there is no way the Chinese EVs are gonna be more expensive then GM. They are gonna be new company in the US and will need to gain market share so they will have a lower price to compete initially the raise them like Kia. Just look at vinfast they are coming in with a high price and so so features and range. Don’t think there gonna do very well.

Much of the difference besides battery size is the vehicle features. Tesla has little functional features in the car, they recently removed parking sensors and previously removed radar, etc.. You can't answer the phone from the steering wheel or lock/unlock the doors outside from the door handle, etc... There's a whole list of features not available.

 

[atreis]

Anyone know if Nissan has a heat pump on the Ariya.

Yes, all trims come with a heat pump standard.

On the rest, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. It's definitely interesting times for cars.

 

[cmbrayer]

You have link or source confirming this?

 

[Hank]

Hey Hank, even with the tax credit I probably would still not buy. As for hauling I’m not carrying a lot of stuff on a daily basis, but I do have a large amount RC gear I take racing on weekends so a good size cargo space is needed.

It’s just really too expensive for what you get. I have a reservation on the Blazer and Silverado EV so once those hit the dealer I may buy one of those. For me it really comes down to the EVs are still significantly higher than an ICE and they still have a lot of problems. I follow the VW ID Facebook page and the issues I see are ridiculous, yet somehow people just brush them off like it’s okay we’re early adopters. I also have started to see some grumblings on here about the Ariya. Right now I have two ICE vehicles everything works on them as it should and one is a Toyota Landcruiser that is 29 years old. I decided it was not time for me to be the canary in the mine and I didn’t want to deal going to the service department for issues.

Once they reach price parity then I will feel better about buying. Also a lot EVs are coming to market in the next couple years that are gonna blow the Nissan out of the water on price and specs.

GM dealers are notorious for huge MSRP markups. Good luck! Maybe you’ll get one in 2024 for Blazer and Silverado. BTW, check out Ram EV.

 

[Hank]

They're already here (Polestar) and not inexpensive. There's also Vinfast, which is Vietnamese but has similar labor costs, and they're also not inexpensive (or very good judging by reviews). XPeng and BYD are likely coming, but once they've been modified to meet US regulations, invested in appropriate facilities (showrooms, service arrangements, etc.), shipped them, been taxed for importation, or built here if they're going to do that, I'm skeptical that they'll be significantly less expensive than other options and likely more expensive than GM. I think it's going to continue to be hard to beat GM for price-competitive EVs.

As someone else speculated, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this Tesla price drop proves to be temporary. While it's here though it certainly does make the Model Y more attractive! I like the Ariya better and can afford it so am sticking with my reservation, but if I didn't already have one on the way I'd seriously consider the Model Y. IMO, Nissan needs to consider a price decrease for the Ariya and also move production to the US so that it qualifies for incentives.

Think poor resale value on the very old Model 3/Y. I wouldn’t touch it. I’m good and smart with my money! Lol

 

[Hank]

I am supposed to be signing a contract for Aria soon. But yesterday's Tesla price reductions is causing me serious heart burn. The Model Y with AWD and 330 mile range is coming to the same price as Aria Evolve +. Under these conditions not sure if anyone has been able to negotiate to knock off few thousands off of MSRP from Nissan dealers. Has anyone negotiated?

my next door neighbor has a fully loaded 2022 Dual Motor Model Y with a little fancy spoiler. He realistically does NOT get over 300 miles . In fact, I teased him that his Y can’t even make it to Las Vegas without stopping. From SoCal to Vegas, itis only 262miles. He must STOP at Barstow to chargeup before continuing his journey. He also complained about the glass rooftop. It gets so HOT that he had to tint the glass roof. Stupid Tesla does not have sun shade cover. 😂

 

[atreis]

You have link or source confirming this?

Nissan calls it "hybrid heater system" for both the Ariya and the Leaf. It's a heat pump with resistance heater backup for when temperatures are too low for a heat pump to work effectively.

The hybrid heater system is listed in one of the brochures, shown here:

Brochure on the Ariya

Is there a brochure on the Ariya available? There is nothing on the Nissan USA website. Thanks!

www.ariyaforums.com

(A little over halfway down the right side.)

It's also mentioned (as heat pump) in reviews such as this one: 10 Reasons Why The Nissan Ariya EV Is a Game Changer

 

[cmbrayer]

Here’s a fun a tidbit I found on the VW Facebook page today.

 

[mattp]

I do hope though Nissan does something for reservation holders and initial customer base. Even knocking off $2k off MSRP in addition to reservation discount will help. No matter what Tesla is still the benchmark for EVs with better software and fully up charger network and better efficiency. The Tesla price drop yesterday is a game changer. Aria instantly became overpriced significantly.

 

[cmbrayer]

To me it was always overpriced from day 1 for what it was and what you’re getting. I remember comparing g it to the Cadillac Lyriq which was like 62k and thinking. So for like 7k more I can get the caddy. Not sure how Nissan was getting there price. The tax credit only made it somewhat easier to stomach, but MY OH MY HAVE THINGS CHANGED SINCE PRE-ORDERs.
They’re already on the life support this only going get worse for Nissan. The sad part is they were the first to bring a mass market ev to market.

 

[Marko5333]

Hello Members,

I have been trying to cancel my two reservations over the last couple days through the Nissan Ariya Dashboard, but nothing seems to work. Once logged in, I click the Menu, Reservation Support, Cancel Reservation. Select Confirm which opens box and reason for cancelation. I select the reason from drop down and click "Yes, Cancel my Reservation" Afterward a circle comes up and then it goes back to the same box. Attached pic for reference. I have talked to numerous customer service representatives through the 1800 number and tried the recommendations below.
-Login and cancel through Chrome
-Clear history and tried again
-Login through Chrome and try canceling using incognito.
-Tried canceling on my phone.

So far nothing has worked and they escalated my ticket to someone who deals with the Ariya Reservations and they are supposed to call me back. So far no call back.

Anyhow thought out post and see if anyone else if having issues getting a refund on their reservation.

Nissan web site is so bad. How can a car company like Nissan have such bad web sites that don’t work. I’m disgusted.

 

[cmbrayer]

Fortunately I was able to get the refund. Only took me like 5 times of calling. Afterward I decided it was good thing I didn’t buy an Ariya. If they can’t even get the website working right the Airya is gonna be same.

What’s even more amazing is I follow one of the VW ID4 Facebook pages and see that car having problems non stop and their app is even worse. Yet somehow people just write it off like it’s not a big deal we’re early adopters things will improve with the software update. I would bet the Nissan Ariya will have some the same growing pains as well. You pay a premium over a comparable ICE vehicle yet all the functions and technology does not work like it supposed to and people say it’s no biggie. I just don’t get it. Guess people have low expectations and are more worried about looking like their saving the planet in an EV. I just start looking at the competition and all negatives and decided the Airya was not a good fit. Although sometimes I wish I could just go to the dealer and be like look at my new Airya, I got great financing on a 36 month loan and the dealer sold at MSRP, but then I would just have buyers remorse.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

Only time will tell on what sort of service issues Ariya might have. As a new model what Ariya has in its favor is the extended delay of its launch caused by the component shortages. The forced delay allowed Nissan to perform additional hours of in house testing up until the launch in Japan last summer. To date the only significant failures I’ve read about with Ariya‘s in the wild have been a rash of screens dying in the UK. However unlike the Tesla design of a dead screen = a tow hook, Ariya owners reported that if their cars were equipped with HUD they were still able to drive their cars without issue while new screens were being ordered for replacement.
Lastly I find it hard to refer to anyone considering buying an EV today as an early adopter unless they had embraced EV ownership prior to the recent trend of the last couple of years. As you acknowledged in one of your earlier posts, mass produced EV’s such as the Leaf and Tesla Model S have been for sale to the public for over a decade. In reality early EV adoption in those days were referred to as the “fringe“ buyers segment.

 

[Sreek2190]

This thing is gonna be like the leaf in a couple years. Lame and cheap.

I had a Model Y which creaked like a 80’s chevy. If you’re expecting EVs to either get very cheap or not get ‘lame’ maybe you shouldn’t get one to start with. Also selling half a million leafs isn’t lame. Talk about customer service it took 8 weeks for Tesla to replace a bruised fender and a bill of 6k. You need to consider TCO in case of an EV, and teslas aren’t cheap wrt maintenance.

 

[cmbrayer]

I had a Model Y which creaked like a 80’s chevy. If you’re expecting EVs to either get very cheap or not get ‘lame’ maybe you shouldn’t get one to start with. Also selling half a million leafs isn’t lame. Talk about customer service it took 8 weeks for Tesla to replace a bruised fender and a bill of 6k. You need to consider TCO in case of an EV, and teslas aren’t cheap wrt maintenance.

I am that’s why I am buying a hybrid from Honda.

 

[Sreek2190]

I am that’s why I am buying a hybrid from Honda.

Good for you.

 

[Nissan79]

I am that’s why I am buying a hybrid from Honda.

Isn't that the rebranded Chevy?

 

[Sreek2190]

Isn't that the rebranded Chevy?

I think they share the EV architecture.

 

[EarlyEVadopter]

Isn't that the rebranded Chevy?

I’m thinking cmbrayer is intends to buy an actual Honda hybrid and not the Honda/GM Frankenstein EV. (At least I hope) Honda went down the collaboration road with Isuzu just over twenty years ago when they had a bad case of FOMO on the hot SUV market trend of that era. Honda called it The “Passport”, sound familiar? (The Passport was revived in name only a few years ago since this early debacle. In any case Isuzu built the Passport for Honda long enough until Honda could launch their own SUV the Honda Pilot in 2003. The short of it was that the early Honda SUV buyers who expected Honda to support this collaboration venture after the warranty period ended were sadly mistaken. As the saying goes history has a way of repeating itself and the writing is on Honda’s wall of shame.

 

[Sreek2190]

I’m thinking cmbrayer is intends to buy an actual Honda hybrid and not the Honda/GM Frankenstein EV. (At least I hope) Honda went down the collaboration road with Isuzu just over twenty years ago when they had a bad case of FOMO on the hot SUV market trend of that era. Honda called it The “Passport”, sound familiar? (The Passport was revived in name only a few years ago since this early debacle. In any case Isuzu built the Passport for Honda long enough until Honda could launch their own SUV the Honda Pilot in 2003. The short of it was that the early Honda SUV buyers who expected Honda to support this collaboration venture after the warranty period ended were sadly mistaken. As the saying goes history has a way of repeating itself and the writing is on Honda’s wall of shame.

agreed..but yeah to each their own cmbrayer ought to get vehicle that he/she likes and will enjoy. If that means it’s the hybrid EV with Chevy, that’s his/her call