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Will I be able to have level 2 (7 kw) charging by plugging the level 1 charge cord (with the appropriate adapter) directly into a 240 vac , 30 amp receptacle without installing a separate level 2 home charger?
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Hey @peterparch, that's what Nissan says here:
www.nissanusa.com
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Charge your Nissan ARIYA at home and plug into the easy life with a 240-volt charging cable.
Wave “goodbye” to gas stations.
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Charge your Nissan ARIYA at home and plug into the easy life with a 240-volt charging cable.
Wave “goodbye” to gas stations.
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Yes, but is the 240 volt cable coming from a 240 volt home charging station or directly from a 240 volt receptacle without the intervening charging station?
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What is described above is the "granny charger" which allows you to charge at home (or wherever) without a dedicated charging station. However, such chargers typically do something like 1.3kW, not the 3.7/7.2/11/22 kW you can do on a real charging station.
If you have a space to park & charge at home, I highly encourage you to have a dedicated charging station installed. The granny charger is such a hassle that in practice you will not use it. Consider it a last resort in case you're stranded somewhere. In my 4 years of owning a Leaf, I've used it maybe 4 times, of which 3 times it blew out a fuse (on the socket/house, not the car). It's pretty useless.
If you have a space to park & charge at home, I highly encourage you to have a dedicated charging station installed. The granny charger is such a hassle that in practice you will not use it. Consider it a last resort in case you're stranded somewhere. In my 4 years of owning a Leaf, I've used it maybe 4 times, of which 3 times it blew out a fuse (on the socket/house, not the car). It's pretty useless.
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I am still confused. If the Ariya has a 7.2 kw onboard charger, why do you also need a separate home charging station which has the same output capacity as the onboard charger?
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The Ariya’s 7.2 kW onboard charger gets electricity to charge from a home “charging” cable or station (technically, Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment or EVSE).
To use the full 7.2 kW, your home EVSE station has to be rated for the appropriate current draw at 240 V. A 32 Amp EVSE station (on a 40 Amp circuit for electrical code safety) should be able to handle up to 7.68 kW at 240 V.
To use the full 7.2 kW, your home EVSE station has to be rated for the appropriate current draw at 240 V. A 32 Amp EVSE station (on a 40 Amp circuit for electrical code safety) should be able to handle up to 7.68 kW at 240 V.
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Thank you for the info, weekenddays.
Using the appropriately sized charging cable, can the ev then be charged at 7.2 kw by plugging the power supply end of the cable directly into a 240 vac, 40 amp receptacle (like an electric stove receptacle) without using an intervening at home charging station?
Using the appropriately sized charging cable, can the ev then be charged at 7.2 kw by plugging the power supply end of the cable directly into a 240 vac, 40 amp receptacle (like an electric stove receptacle) without using an intervening at home charging station?
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Yes, peterparch. The “appropriately sized charging cable” is the EVSE, whether it’s portable or permanently installed as a charging station. One end of the EVSE is either hardwired or plugged into a 240 vac receptacle; the other end has the J1772 plug to connect to the vehicle charging port.
By contrast, a level 1 or granny charger is plugged into a standard 120 vac receptacle and the other end has a J1772 plug. Similar look, but much slower charging at ~1.3kW power.
By contrast, a level 1 or granny charger is plugged into a standard 120 vac receptacle and the other end has a J1772 plug. Similar look, but much slower charging at ~1.3kW power.
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The car communicates with the EVSE during charging for safety reasons. While the car could theoretically charge using a straight cable with no control circuitry built into it, it won't.
Seems to be somewhat difficult to find articles that explain why in any detail, but here's a couple:
What is EVSE? It's Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment, and here's what it's all about - Autoblog
When discussing electric vehicles and charging standards, things can get a bit confusing. Progress has been made in terms of unification, with the J11
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What Is EVSE And Why Does Your Electric Car Charger Need It?
There was a time when an electric car could be plugged into just about any electrical outlet its owner could find. With a little bit of ingenuity and forward planning, any electric car could plug-in just about anywhere. We’ve heard stories of National Electric Drag Racing Association (NEDRA)...
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Atrius, I noticed that the articles in the links that you included in your post are both over 10 years old. Has nothing changed since then? I spoke to a Tesla owner recently who charges by plugging directly into a 240 vac 30 amp receptacle.
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No, in terms of charge cords and what you're talking about, nothing has changed since then. Some have more features, like bluetooth or wireless connectivity and apps for the charge cord itself for monitoring the charge.
As for the person you talked to, either he mistook what you meant and plugs his charge cord (with the control box) into a 240V 30 amp outlet, which is very possible, or he's done something to trick the car into thinking there's a proper charge cord attached when there isn't.
As for the person you talked to, either he mistook what you meant and plugs his charge cord (with the control box) into a 240V 30 amp outlet, which is very possible, or he's done something to trick the car into thinking there's a proper charge cord attached when there isn't.
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Hi Peterparch, sir I will advise if you can get the 240V receptacle for the charger that came with the Ariya, it will be worth it because the Wallbox charger 48A that I got can only deliver max of 7.2 and 6.9 at 90% charged.
Peter:
Many, if not most, factory 120V EVSE's will actually operate at 240v if connected to same. There is a considerable marketplace for these adapters, although I build my own for our PacHy. You should expect something like 9-10 miles or so of range per hour so it's certainly not fast. But it might be adequte too. At the same time the Ariya OBC is a bit limite, so it's hard to invest in an upper end home charging station knowing you can't charge at upper end amperages anyway.
Now, will the Ariya accept same? Probably. The Leaf guys do it, and I sort of thought the Ariya was coming with the correct adapters too.
Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE - My Nissan Leaf Forum
BTW, an EVSE is basically a safety device, and this includes matching it's size and capacity up the the plug you're using. The car's OBC doesn't know or care. It will request XYZ rate, and if the EVSE can deliver it then it happens. If not the EVSE delivery all it's rated for and the car accepts same. This is essentially via the J1772 pilot signal negotiation, and of course means said cable is most certainly more than just an extension cord.
Many, if not most, factory 120V EVSE's will actually operate at 240v if connected to same. There is a considerable marketplace for these adapters, although I build my own for our PacHy. You should expect something like 9-10 miles or so of range per hour so it's certainly not fast. But it might be adequte too. At the same time the Ariya OBC is a bit limite, so it's hard to invest in an upper end home charging station knowing you can't charge at upper end amperages anyway.
Now, will the Ariya accept same? Probably. The Leaf guys do it, and I sort of thought the Ariya was coming with the correct adapters too.
Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE - My Nissan Leaf Forum
BTW, an EVSE is basically a safety device, and this includes matching it's size and capacity up the the plug you're using. The car's OBC doesn't know or care. It will request XYZ rate, and if the EVSE can deliver it then it happens. If not the EVSE delivery all it's rated for and the car accepts same. This is essentially via the J1772 pilot signal negotiation, and of course means said cable is most certainly more than just an extension cord.
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Bumping this thread as it still wasn't clear to me what was going to be delivered with the Ariya before it arrived locally. I picked up my Evolve+ a few weeks ago (first one sold!) and haven't talked to the dealer to confirm this is the case for all trims. Rreading about UK deliveries it seemed to be trim dependent?
My Ariya came with an L2 EVSE that provide 30A/240V or or 7.2kW. It has a NEMA 14-50 plug for 240V. It also has a NEMA 5-15 adapter to plug in to a standard 110V outlet, which will provide 15A/120V or 1.8kW for slow charging if needed (48 hours to fullly charge).
We personally were already wired for 240V in the garage but it was a NEMA 6-50, so I had to get a NEMA 6-50 to 14-50 converter. I confirmed with many sources that the neutral was not required for EV charging, so I got one of these:
We didn't get a Wallbox for now as 30A is sufficient (and also what my pre-wiring/breaker is limited to).
My Ariya came with an L2 EVSE that provide 30A/240V or or 7.2kW. It has a NEMA 14-50 plug for 240V. It also has a NEMA 5-15 adapter to plug in to a standard 110V outlet, which will provide 15A/120V or 1.8kW for slow charging if needed (48 hours to fullly charge).
We personally were already wired for 240V in the garage but it was a NEMA 6-50, so I had to get a NEMA 6-50 to 14-50 converter. I confirmed with many sources that the neutral was not required for EV charging, so I got one of these:
CircleCord NEMA 6-50P to 14-50R EV Charger Adapter Cord for Level 2 EV Charging, 180 Degree Bent Design with Grip Handle, Heavy Duty 6 Gauge
Buy CircleCord NEMA 6-50P to 14-50R EV Charger Adapter Cord for Level 2 EV Charging, 180 Degree Bent Design with Grip Handle, Heavy Duty 6 Gauge at Amazon. Customer reviews and photos may be available to help you make the right purchase decision!
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We didn't get a Wallbox for now as 30A is sufficient (and also what my pre-wiring/breaker is limited to).
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