I’ve seen lots of videos, including out of spec that have it charging at 130 and pretty consistent. I’m not sure where you’re hearing this 60kw from, but it ain’t true. Pretty incompetent factory rep. Electrify America also isn’t that reliable, heck, none of them are at this point. The Ariya chargers at 130kw from 6% to about 48%, then it slows as you would expect.
Low Ariya Charging Rate
The best charging rate I've been able to get with the Ariya is 55 kW on several Electrify America 150 and 350 kW chargers. That was starting at 20% after warming the battery for 30 minutes in 55 degree outside temp. Their advertising and product brochure claim 130 kW. I complained to my dealer, and he set me up with a rep from the factory to investigate. The factory rep reported back to me that:
"Engineering says that 60 kW is a normal fast charge rate for the Ariya. It has protection logic programmed in to reduce battery heat when charging. The max charge rate the customer will see is 100 kW and that's if the vehicle is around 15-30% capacity. They will see that speed for just a few minutes. There is no fault with the vehicle, it's just how it's designed."
This doesn't jibe with the product brochure claim of 80% in 40 minutes or Quick Charge Port at 130 kW.. Increased charge rate is a primary reason for my buying the Ariya, but it isn't much faster than my 2019 Chevy Bolt. I think I need a discussion with the selling dealership.
"Engineering says that 60 kW is a normal fast charge rate for the Ariya. It has protection logic programmed in to reduce battery heat when charging. The max charge rate the customer will see is 100 kW and that's if the vehicle is around 15-30% capacity. They will see that speed for just a few minutes. There is no fault with the vehicle, it's just how it's designed."
This doesn't jibe with the product brochure claim of 80% in 40 minutes or Quick Charge Port at 130 kW.. Increased charge rate is a primary reason for my buying the Ariya, but it isn't much faster than my 2019 Chevy Bolt. I think I need a discussion with the selling dealership.
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I don't DCFC much, but the handful of times that I have I've gotten in the 90s, and that was in much colder weather. I'd suspect the chargers...
I've tried several different EA chargers at several locations. I charged at one where a Rivian was charging at 200 kW next to me but I was doing 58 kW. The factory rep the dealer brought to me took my data back to Nissan engineering and that is what he reported back to me through the dealer.
Yea, just not true. I’ve had higher numbers than that myself, I’ve never been deep enough to get max speed yet. Go watch some recharge videos on YouTube. I watched the 4 hour range test by out of spec and lots of other showing charging above that. I think the dealer is just trying to blow you off. No doubt it’s tough finding a working charger. The state of chargers are pretty rough right now, especially looking for one that will talk correctly with the new Ariya. Check out this guy, I watch a four hour live stream where I seen this test car consistently at 130. Here’s a shorter example about 6 minutes in he talks about the faster speeds he got around 6% to 48%I've tried several different EA chargers at several locations. I charged at one where a Rivian was charging at 200 kW next to me but I was doing 58 kW. The factory rep the dealer brought to me took my data back to Nissan engineering and that is what he reported back to me through the dealer.
I've only ever achived a high of 41kW at any Level 3 despite numerous charges at different sites. Was not terribly happy because I expected better that this, which is what I usually got for my Leaf (50kW max). So now I'm finding out my car battery level needs to be below 40% to get a decent rate? Well, that sucks. 😐
You should be able to get at least 80kW up to 80%, and higher rates at lower state of charge.I've only ever achived a high of 41kW at any Level 3 despite numerous charges at different sites. Was not terribly happy because I expected better that this, which is what I usually got for my Leaf (50kW max). So now I'm finding out my car battery level needs to be below 40% to get a decent rate? Well, that sucks. 😐
OP:
Buy a NACS (Tesla) to CCS adapter and try there. I rarely fast charge, but I've not seen a poor factory Tesla supercharger. It would at least eliminate that as a concern, and that does seem the most likely. Aside from that I too would call BS on the regional excuse making. BTW, they heat batteries to charge them faster. They want to get to and hold around 100c.
There is a big "However" in all this:
I seem to have missed what you charged too. If you're charging to 100% a 60KW average rate is not too bad. I would certainly expect a wam battery pack at 50% to be taking 100KW or more on a fast charger capable of same, but it it started backing off at 70% that's not unreasonable, and at 80% it might be slowing substanitially.
Buy a NACS (Tesla) to CCS adapter and try there. I rarely fast charge, but I've not seen a poor factory Tesla supercharger. It would at least eliminate that as a concern, and that does seem the most likely. Aside from that I too would call BS on the regional excuse making. BTW, they heat batteries to charge them faster. They want to get to and hold around 100c.
There is a big "However" in all this:
I seem to have missed what you charged too. If you're charging to 100% a 60KW average rate is not too bad. I would certainly expect a wam battery pack at 50% to be taking 100KW or more on a fast charger capable of same, but it it started backing off at 70% that's not unreasonable, and at 80% it might be slowing substanitially.
I do a lot of DCFC at EVGO with 350 kW charger. If my SoC is anywhere from 10%-20%, I get up to 115kW to 123 kW. These numbers vary day to day. One thing I can say is that the charging curve is stable and predictable.The best charging rate I've been able to get with the Ariya is 55 kW on several Electrify America 150 and 350 kW chargers. That was starting at 20% after warming the battery for 30 minutes in 55 degree outside temp. Their advertising and product brochure claim 130 kW. I complained to my dealer, and he set me up with a rep from the factory to investigate. The factory rep reported back to me that:
"Engineering says that 60 kW is a normal fast charge rate for the Ariya. It has protection logic programmed in to reduce battery heat when charging. The max charge rate the customer will see is 100 kW and that's if the vehicle is around 15-30% capacity. They will see that speed for just a few minutes. There is no fault with the vehicle, it's just how it's designed."
This doesn't jibe with the product brochure claim of 80% in 40 minutes or Quick Charge Port at 130 kW.. Increased charge rate is a primary reason for my buying the Ariya, but it isn't much faster than my 2019 Chevy Bolt. I think I need a discussion with the selling dealership.
Last week at an Electrify America 150kW charger, I got 113kW which is by far the best I've gotten. Previously, 106kW was the highest rate of charge. Living in Florida, I've never had to charge my car in weather conditions under 70 degrees.
I try to warm the batteries for 30 minutes before charging. I get only 55 to 60 kW from 20% up to 50-60%, then it tapers off. This is in 55 degree temps outside. I have seen other EVs on adjacent chargers getting over 200kW. I've tried 8 different EA chargers in four different locations. I don't think the chargers are my problem. Now if I could only get some help from Nissan. Premiere edition with 87 kWh battery.
Where do you get one of these? I've seen Tesla to J1772, but not CCS.Buy a NACS (Tesla) to CCS adapter and try there. I rarely fast charge, but I've not seen a poor factory Tesla supercharger.
Let me look. I just bought a CCS to NACS, I'd be floored if there wasn't one. Gimme 5.
Yeah, CCS to NACS is common enough (plenty on Amazon) but I haven't seen NACS to CCS. Tesla was using a "magic dock" solution for their superchargers (to allow CCS cars to use the supercharger), and that would be the closest - assuming you're near a supercharger that has been converted over.Let me look. I just bought a CCS to NACS, I'd be floored if there wasn't one. Gimme 5.
Wow. Nadda. How does opening up the Tesla fast charging network mean anything if you can't use it at fast charge rates? I just assumed the 3rd party would jump on making that. Guess not. If I see something I'll let you know, but for now it looks like you have to wait for Tesla to upgrade superchargers to CCS enabled.
Gonna be a while.
Gonna be a while.
Just NY and CA currently. But it does make sense that Tesla will retrofit the adapter instead of having CCS users supply their own, just for a seamless experience and to minimize any charge problems.Wow. Nadda. How does opening up the Tesla fast charging network mean anything if you can't use it at fast charge rates? I just assumed the 3rd party would jump on making that. Guess not. If I see something I'll let you know, but for now it looks like you have to wait for Tesla to upgrade superchargers to CCS enabled.
Gonna be a while.
Here’s How Tesla’s Magic Dock Rollout Is Going
Tesla has already expanded its CCS-compatible Supercharger network and is planning even more locations across the United States.
insideevs.com
Thanks for the link! Tesla is also suggesting to mfg they include NCAS in others cars. That might actually be faster to make a market difference.
I arrived with 14% SoC. I got 125kW (photo shows 124kW). It kept above 100 kW for a good 20 mins.I do a lot of DCFC at EVGO with 350 kW charger. If my SoC is anywhere from 10%-20%, I get up to 115kW to 123 kW. These numbers vary day to day. One thing I can say is that the charging curve is stable and predictable.
Just another piece of proof that debunks the slow charging myth, and this is from Kyle he can't stand the Ariya
I haven’t seen the video. No need to be obsessed with his reviews. All of us own an Ariya and we know first hand how well the Ariya drives. I still think my Ariya Evolve+ is the best bang for the buck (even without the $7500IRA). As of today, nothing beats my Evolve- feature for feature and the 2.59% interest financing (although I paid cash). Oh, love the low cost of my Ariya car insurance. At $526 for every six months, what other EVs are cheap to insure? Definitely not Tesla….
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