New Kelley Blue Book review

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Astros

Discussion Starter · 9 mo ago

A new review of an Evolve+ model in Nashville by Kelly Blue Book was posted today:

Not a lot of new information compared to previous reviews I've seen, but they do show the Ariya plugged in to a DC fast charger at 76% SoC for a few seconds at the 14:57 mark. The video was a little blurry, but it looks like it was pulling around ~80kW at 76%. The actual speed is very hard to make out, but a little later you can see that the kWh delivered increases from 1.6601kWh to 1.7080kWh in just over 2 seconds, which works out to 81kW. That would be pretty good, and would support Nissan's claim of a relatively flat charging curve.

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CRW

· #2 · 9 mo ago

I just watched it and was about to create a post. All in all, seems to be a positive review.

Astros

Discussion Starter · #3 · 9 mo ago

I found it strange that she kept comparing it against the Mazda, Toyota, and Subaru EVs. I guess it's because those are the other new Japanese EVs, but but they also must be the least compelling new EVs on the market! What about the ID.4, Mach-e, EV6, Ioniq 5, or any Tesla? Those are the cars people will actually be cross-shopping the Ariya against.

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EarlyEVadopter

· #4 · 9 mo ago

Interesting that this reviewer chose not to comment on accelleration performance or miles per KW. Also noticed that the test model driven was a FWD Empower+ . According to the brochure I received at the Ride &Drive event in Tacoma last month, the Empower+ is a FWD (only) 87/kw battery with basically all the software and mechanical features of the Premier including Pro Pilot 2.0 & Park.

EarlyEVadopter

· #5 · 9 mo ago

Astros said:
A new review of an Evolve+ model in Nashville by Kelly Blue Book was posted today:

Not a lot of new information compared to previous reviews I've seen, but they do show the Ariya plugged in to a DC fast charger at 76% SoC for a few seconds at the 14:57 mark. The video was a little blurry, but it looks like it was pulling around ~80kW at 76%. The actual speed is very hard to make out, but a little later you can see that the kWh delivered increases from 1.6601kWh to 1.7080kWh in just over 2 seconds, which works out to 81kW. That would be pretty good, and would support Nissan's claim of a relatively flat charging curve.

The model tested in this review by KBB is actually an “Empower +” which has all the features of the Premier but this model was not available when the U.S. reservations were open.

Starkitect19

· #6 · 9 mo ago

Great video and I can’t wait to see more. I would’ve splurged on a premiere/empower trim if the reservation portal allowed configurations with a light gray interior but I think I want the light gray interior a little more than I want ProPilot 2.0 so I went with an evolve trim…unless someone can convince me the hands off driving is truly a game changer

ab13

· #7 · 9 mo ago

Starkitect19 said:
Great video and I can’t wait to see more. I would’ve splurged on a premiere/empower trim if the reservation portal allowed configurations with a light gray interior but I think I want the light gray interior a little more than I want ProPilot 2.0 so I went with an evolve trim…unless someone can convince me the hands off driving is truly a game changer

I don't see the Evolve with gray interior. Are you making a US order?

Starkitect19

· #8 · 9 mo ago

ab13 said:
I don't see the Evolve with gray interior. Are you making a US order?

Yes. The Evolve trim with the everest white pearl exterior comes with light gray interior.

EarlyEVadopter

· #9 · 9 mo ago

Starkitect19 said:
Great video and I can’t wait to see more. I would’ve splurged on a premiere/empower trim if the reservation portal allowed configurations with a light gray interior but I think I want the light gray interior a little more than I want ProPilot 2.0 so I went with an evolve trim…unless someone can convince me the hands off driving is truly a game changer

IMHO self parking will really be the only no additional cost hardware benefit of the Pro Pilot 2.0 package unless the buyer is willing to eventually pay an ongoing subscription fee. Once the “free” period of 2.0 ends (a free period is included in the purchase price) I can’t find any Nissan disclosure of how much the ongoing subscription fee will be.

Starkitect19

· #10 · 9 mo ago

EarlyEVadopter said:
IMHO self parking will really be the only no additional cost hardware benefit of the Pro Pilot 2.0 package unless the buyer is willing to eventually pay an ongoing subscription fee. Once the “free” period of 2.0 ends (a free period is included in the purchase price) I can’t find any Nissan disclosure of how much the ongoing subscription fee will be.

Yuck. I have major subscription fatigue so I’d rather save $4500 and keep my hands on the wheel. Is it confirmed that ProPilot 2.0 will go to a subscription model at some point in the future even for already purchased vehicles?

EarlyEVadopter

· #11 · 9 mo ago

Starkitect19 said:
Yuck. I have major subscription fatigue so I’d rather save $4500 and keep my hands on the wheel. Is it confirmed that ProPilot 2.0 will go to a subscription model at some point in the future even for already purchased vehicles?

Nissan reps at the ride and drive event I attended in Tacoma, Wa confirmed that there will eventually be a monthly mapping fee for Pro Pilot 2.0 …….although they didn’t have any details of how much that mapping fee will be.

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Starkitect19

· #12 · 9 mo ago

EarlyEVadopter said:
Nissan reps at the ride and drive event I attended in Tacoma, Wa confirmed that there will eventually be a monthly mapping fee for Pro Pilot 2.0 …….although they didn’t have any details of how much that mapping fee will be.

Thanks for curing me of my ProPilot 2.0 FOMO! 😂

LeafOwner

· #13 · 9 mo ago

If there is no one-time purchase option (or leave it up to us when we feel like getting an updated map) for Pro Pilot then I would downgrade to a trim level with no Pro Pilot, realize I don't really need all-wheel-drive (or the resulting loss in range) and happily pay Nissan less for their car. I await seeing how "trendy" they will be about subscriptions. Just make a good car and the business will follow, and don't periodically annoy your customers with fees.

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EarlyEVadopter

· #14 · 9 mo ago

LeafOwner said:
If there is no one-time purchase option (or leave it up to us when we feel like getting an updated map) for Pro Pilot then I would downgrade to a trim level with no Pro Pilot, realize I don't really need all-wheel-drive (or the resulting loss in range) and happily pay Nissan less for their car. I await seeing how "trendy" they will be about subscriptions. Just make a good car and the business will follow, and don't periodically annoy your customers with fees.

Just to clarify, Nissan’s Pro pilot assist which is a non-mapping hands on lane assist package will not require a subscription. Only the “Pro pilot 2.0” hands free assist package as offered in the the Premier, Empower + and Platinum + will eventually need a subscription to maintain the 2.0 systems functionality.

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ab13

· #15 · 9 mo ago

EarlyEVadopter said:
Just to clarify, Nissan’s Pro pilot assist which is a non-mapping hands on lane assist package will not require a subscription. Only the “Pro pilot 2.0” hands free assist package as offered in the the Premier, Empower + and Platinum + will eventually need a subscription to maintain the 2.0 systems functionality.

From what I read, Chevy is $25 a month for a Supercruise, and Ford is $600 for 3 years of Blue cruise.

nexus2nexus

· #16 · 9 mo ago

EarlyEVadopter said:
Just to clarify, Nissan’s Pro pilot assist which is a non-mapping hands on lane assist package will not require a subscription. Only the “Pro pilot 2.0” hands free assist package as offered in the the Premier, Empower + and Platinum + will eventually need a subscription to maintain the 2.0 systems functionality.

that's such BS. we were not made aware of this when we pre-ordered. I assumed the hardware was there, and if the maps get outdated, so be it.
I would've gotten the lower trim had I known, but now that we're locked into pre-orders it's too late.

EarlyEVadopter

· #17 · 9 mo ago

nexus2nexus said:
that's such BS. we were not made aware of this when we pre-ordered. I assumed the hardware was there, and if the maps get outdated, so be it.
I would've gotten the lower trim had I known, but now that we're locked into pre-orders it's too late.

nexus2nexus said:
that's such BS. we were not made aware of this when we pre-ordered. I assumed the hardware was there, and if the maps get outdated, so be it.
I would've gotten the lower trim had I known, but now that we're locked into pre-orders it's too late.

Actually it’s not too late to change your mind. I just switched from the Platinum+ in Red to the Evolve+ in Blue about 30 days ago. You can just log in to your portal and make the change(s). That is of course unless your dealer has recently contacted you and placed an order with Nissan with your configuration, options etc.

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