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From the information that's come out so far, the Ariya is definitely entering Tesla Model Y territory. But how big of a competitor do you think the Ariya will be compared to the Model Y?

Nissan Ariya
Starting Price: $40,000 (estimated)
Range: 300 miles (estimated)
0-60: Under 5 seconds (estimated)
Charging: CHAdeMO quick charging

Tesla Model Y
Staring Price: $48,000 purchase price and $43,700 with incentives
Range: 300 miles
0-60: 3.5 seconds.
Charging: Tesla Supercharging

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exterior design, interior design, performance, battery range, practicality and pricing were compared here:
Exterior Styling
If the Ariya is meant to show the future design direction of the Nissan brand, then color us intrigued. Nissan says the Ariya's electric platform freed up the designers to work with new lines and proportions. Concept cars often turn out boring when they reach production but Nissan was able to keep nearly all of the cool styling elements like the light-up badge, long LED headlights, coupe-like roofline, and connected LED taillight bar.
By comparison, the Model Y has never been our favorite Tesla in terms of design. It really looks like Tesla took a Model 3 and jacked it up a few inches without changing much else. The result is an awkward-looking egg shape that appears more like a sedan on stilts than a real crossover.

Interior Design
As with the exterior, Nissan's designers went wild inside. With no engine up front, Nissan's engineers were able to stuff the climate control system up there to free up valuable space in the cabin. This means the Ariya has a nearly flat floor, giving more space to occupants. The design looks futuristic with capacitive controls and two large 12.3-inch displays in front of the driver.
In the Model Y, Tesla did yet another copy and paste job from the Model 3, basically copying the exact same interior. Tesla's cabin is minimalist, featuring a single touchscreen to control all of the car's functions. It may not look as futuristic as the Ariya but the clean design is appealing to look at.

Performance & Battery Range
Nissan hasn't announced a full breakdown of range just yet but it has confirmed that the Ariya will top out at around 300 miles on a charge with the larger battery front-wheel-drive model. With FWD, the Ariya will produce a healthy 214 horsepower and 221 lb-ft of torque. Models with Nissan's new e-4ORCE all-wheel-drive system will produce a whopping 388 hp and 443 lb-ft of torque.
Tesla has Nissan beat with a 316-mile range on the Long Range Dual Motor Model Y and 291-mile range for the Performance Model, both of which include AWD as standard. The regular Long Range Model Y produces 384 hp and 375 lb-ft, putting it very close to the most powerful Ariya. The Performance model is much more potent with 450 hp and 471 lb-ft, yielding a 0-60 mph time of just 3.5 seconds.

The Ariya rides on a 109.3-inch wheelbase with an overall length of 182.9 inches. Nissan placed a high priority on interior volume, giving the Ariya up to 16.5 cubic feet of storage space (with FWD) behind the second row or 14.6 cubic feet with e-FORCE. SAE-rated cargo capacity numbers for the Model Y are hard to come by but with the second row folded, it offers up to 68 cubic feet. We will have to wait for a side-by-side comparison to see which EV can haul more in the back but the Model Y does benefit from having a second trunk in the front.

Pricing for the Nissan Ariya will start at $40,000, placing it well below the Model Y. Tesla recently dropped the Standard Range model, meaning the Long Range Dual Motor is the least expensive at $49,990. We will have to wait for full pricing to see how Nissan positions the Ariya e-FORCE against the Model Y Dual Motor. The Ariya should qualify for a $7,500 tax credit, though that number may be reduced by the time the car goes on sale. Tesla has already exhausted its full $7,500 credit allocation.

2021 Nissan Ariya EV: What Nissan Got Right on the New All-Electric SUV + Tesla Model Y Comparison

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more Ariya specs to consider as we compare these two models:

Attractive, long-range and powerful. Meet the upcoming Nissan Ariya.
On July 15, 2020 Nissan unveiled its all-new, all-electric model - the Nissan Ariya - which was the biggest EV launch from the Japanese brand since the original Nissan LEAF (sold in nearly 500,000 units since December 2010).
The Ariya is a global compact crossover/SUV, built on the all-new CMF-EV platform (developed for the entire Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance). As in the case of other proprietary BEVs, the interior of the Ariya is very spacious, similar to bigger models.
By the way of introducing the Ariya, Nissan unveiled also its new logo, for the new chapter in the company's history.
2021 Nissan Ariya
2021 Nissan Ariya
When, where and how much
Nissan Ariya will be introduced in Japan in mid-2021, at an estimated starting price of around 5 million yen ($47,000).
The company said that sales in other markets will follow. In the U.S. and Canada, the launch is set for later in 2021. Price in the U.S. will start around $40,000 (USD) and it's rather certain that the car will be eligible for the $7,500 federal tax credit.

Europe is another mentioned market for launch in 2021, but without info about the price.
Interestingly, the Ariya launch in China is also set for the end of 2021.
"The all-new Nissan Ariya is scheduled to go on sale in Japan in mid-2021. It will be priced at around 5 million yen. The Ariya is planned to go on sale in Europe, North America and China by the end of 2021."
The market launch in around one year or more from now is actually one of the weakest points of the premiere because the number of competitors will noticeably grow by that time.
Batteries and electric motors
Nissan announced two battery versions - 65 kWh (63 kWh usable) and 90 kWh (87 kWh usable), two drive options (front-wheel drive and e-4ORCE all-wheel drive), as well as several power levels (from 160 kW to 290 kW peak).
The battery pack has received an active thermal management system, which finally includes liquid-cooling. That's a major improvement from the LEAF.
The cells are no longer pouch type. This time Nissan is using prismatic lithium-ion cells. The NMC (Lithium-Nickel-Manganese-Cobalt-Oxide) cell supplier will be CATL.
Interesting is the info about the traction motors in the Ariya: Externally Excited Synchronous Motor (EESM), which suggests a major switch from permanent magnet motors used so far by Nissan, and probably use of Renault's units, as Renault has vast expertise in EESM.
Range and Performance (preliminary)
EV range depends on the particular version, but in general Nissan expects:
  • up to around 300 miles (483 km) in the U.S.
  • roughly from 360 km (224 miles) to 500 km (311 miles) of WLTP in Europe
  • roughly from 450 km (280 miles) to 610 km (379 miles) of WLTC in Japan
We are afraid that the efficiency of the Ariya is not very high though with the 90 kWh battery.
The top of the line versions will be able to go 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.1 seconds and reach the top speed of 200 km/h (124 mph).

Charging - CCS and 130 kW DC
With Ariya, Nissan drops its global support to the CHAdeMO DC fast-charging standard and now will support it only locally in Japan (maybe in few other places).
In other markets, the new BEV to be offered with local charging solutions (CCS1 in North America, CCS2 in Europe and probably many other markets, most likely GB/T in China).
Having bigger batteries and liquid cooling allowed Nissan to increase its peak charging power to 130 kW.
According to Nissan, 130 kW will be available both in CHAdeMO and CCS versions.
"While every Ariya model will feature impressive driving range in its segment, it also boasts remarkable range recovery and quick-charge performance. This is thanks in part to its battery thermal control feature, which constantly optimizes the operating temperature of the liquid-cooled battery. Using peak 130 kW charging, the Ariya can recover up to 375 kilometers with a 30-minute quick charge using Japan's CHAdeMO charging system. (Japan specification and charging system capable of 130 kW charging, estimation subject to homologation and environmental and battery conditions)"
Interesting is also the approach to AC charging. In Japan and the U.S., the car to be available with a 7.2 kW single-phase charger, while in Europe it will be more appropriate: 7.4 kW single-phase charger for smaller battery options and 22 kW three-phase charger for bigger battery option. That's what we like!
As you can see, the charging inlet is not in the front like in LEAF, but on the side - or rather both sides! Similar to Audi or Porsche, but it's only the specific Japan version where CHAdeMO and J1772 have separate ports. In Europe and North America, there will be only one charge port located on the driver's side front fender.
2021 Nissan Ariya
2021 Nissan Ariya
Interior and features
Nissan Ariya is expected to get a lot of things that should make it a far better car than the LEAF:
  • first Nissan with firmware updates over the air
  • a 12.3-inch instrument monitor and 12.3-inch center display along a single horizon, plus a heads-up display (HUD)
  • ProPILOT 2.0 which offers hands-off single-lane highway driving capability
  • The seat, steering wheel position and auto-sliding center console are all adjusted based on the saved driver profile linked with the Intelligent Key
More about the over the air updates:
"The Ariya is also the first Nissan model with firmware updates over the air, called Remote Software Upgrade. The technology automatically updates various software inside the vehicle – specifically, software that controls the multimedia system, electric and electronic architecture, chassis, climate system and EV settings – without having to take the vehicle to a service center. With periodic real-time updates, the Ariya is always operating at its full potential. A dual-bank memory system even allows for updates while on the go. Updates are downloaded and stored in a separate memory bank. When the system has confirmed the download, it switches to the updated memory bank. Updates are applied quickly and easily, making updates and new feature integration a seamless experience."
2021 Nissan Ariya
2021 Nissan Ariya
2021 Nissan Ariya

The cool new thing about the Nissan Ariya is the ability to tow - up to 1,500 kg (in Europe), depending on the version. Although, according to what we have heard in the conference call, in the U.S. it will be only about 1,500 lbs (680 kg).
The production volume
According to Reuters, the production volume in the first year might not be the highest. Two undisclosed sources said that the target is only 30,000 globally in the "first full year".
"“It’s a bit underwhelming,” said one source who was involved in the product’s development, referring to the sales target.
“Is this going to be a vehicle that brings a halo effect to the brand or not?” the source said."
It would be very disappointing to sell only 30,000 in the first year, starting a year from now.
The third Reuters' source said that the plan is to produce 40,000 in Japan in 2021, with a ramp-up plan for 100,000 annually. That sounds much better and more rational.
The production is also planned in China, but we don't yet know about the U.S. and UK, where the LEAF is produced currently
Nissan Ariya specs:
Now let's take a look at specs - for Europe Nissan announced five versions, while for Japan four versions. Some of them are not the same due to different power output, so we listed them all below. The particular versions for the U.S. were not yet announced.
  • Ariya FWD, 65 kWh (Japan/Europe)
    • Europe WLTP range: up to 360 km (224 miles)
      Japan WLTC range: up to 450 km (280 miles)
    • 65 kWh battery (63 kWh net usable); liquid-cooled battery, prismatic cells
    • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 7.5 seconds
    • top speed of 160 km/h (100 mph)
    • front-wheel drive
    • peak system output of 160 kW and 300 Nm of torque
  • Ariya FWD, 90 kWh (Japan/Europe)
    • Europe WLTP range: up to 500 km (311 miles)
      Japan WLTC range: up to 610 km (379 miles)
    • 90 kWh battery (87 kWh net usable); liquid-cooled battery, prismatic cells
    • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 7.6 seconds
    • top speed of 160 km/h (100 mph)
    • front-wheel drive
    • peak system output of 178 kW and 300 Nm of torque
  • Ariya AWD, 65 kWh (Europe)
    • Europe WLTP range: up to 340 km (211 miles)
    • 65 kWh battery (63 kWh net usable); liquid-cooled battery, prismatic cells
    • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.9 seconds
    • top speed of 200 km/h (124 mph)
    • dual motor all-wheel drive
    • peak system output of 205 kW and 560 Nm of torque
  • Ariya AWD, 65 kWh (Japan)
    • Japan WLTC range: up to 430 km (267 miles)
    • 65 kWh battery (63 kWh net usable); liquid-cooled battery, prismatic cells
    • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.4 seconds
    • top speed of 200 km/h (124 mph)
    • dual motor all-wheel drive
    • peak system output of 250 kW and 560 Nm of torque
  • Ariya AWD, 90 kWh (Europe)
    • Europe WLTP range: up to 400 km (249 miles)
    • 90 kWh battery (87 kWh net usable); liquid-cooled battery, prismatic cells
    • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.7 seconds
    • top speed of 200 km/h (124 mph)
    • dual motor all-wheel drive
    • peak system output of 225 kW and 600 Nm of torque
  • Ariya AWD, 90 kWh (Japan/Europe)
    • Europe WLTP range: up to 400 km (249 miles)
      Japan WLTC range: up to 580 km (360 miles)
    • 90 kWh battery (87 kWh net usable); liquid-cooled battery, prismatic cells
    • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 5.1 seconds
    • top speed of 200 km/h (124 mph)
    • dual motor all-wheel drive
    • peak system output of 290 kW and 600 Nm of torque
  • AC charging (on-board): about 7.2 kW single-phase (Japan and U.S.)
    in Europe: 7.4 kW single-phase (65 kWh version) or 22 kW three-phase (90 kWh version)
  • DC fast charging: up to 130 kW, can add up to 375 km (233 miles) of range in 30 minutes
    North America: CCS Combo 1 standard
    Europe: CCS Combo 2 standard
    Japan: CHAdeMO standard
    China: local standard
    other markets: info not available, most likely also CCS
  • Length: 4,595 mm, Width: 1,850 mm, Height - 1,655 mm, Wheelbase - 2,775 mm
  • Weight: from 1,900 kg to 2,200 kg depending on version
  • Luggage capacity: 466 L (2WD), 408 L (AWD), depends on other factors
  • Ariya will be rated to tow up to 1,500 kg
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