[Kalvin]

Both the Ariya and ID.4 are expected to start from $35,000-40,000 with similar kWh batteries and range. VW says the ID4 can get up to 310 miles between charges with the Ariya at just 10 miles less. Battery sizes aside. these are just early figures and could change slightly at launch. The overall experienced offered from both models seems to be a matter of choosing between the sportier Ariya or the more all around ID.4.
Which one does everyone here think they'll gravitate more towards? Also, which specs matter most to you?

 

[funnynardo]

im leaning towards the ariya mainly because of the propilot 2.0. tesla autopilot is really great for highway driving, so propilot should be even better with handsfree. i also think the interior of the ariya would be superior to the id4. only thing i hope ariya has is an option for one pedal driving and the car is started when you press brake pedal rather than having to push a start button. just worried i might not get the federal incentive on ariya because of the 200k sales limit. i need that reservation!

 

[tedinsd]

im leaning towards the ariya mainly because of the propilot 2.0. tesla autopilot is really great for highway driving, so propilot should be even better with handsfree. i also think the interior of the ariya would be superior to the id4. only thing i hope ariya has is an option for one pedal driving and the car is started when you press brake pedal rather than having to push a start button. just worried i might not get the federal incentive on ariya because of the 200k sales limit. i need that reservation!

Given the estimated total sales figures for the Leaf of about 140,000, I'm not worried about Nissan hitting 200K. I don't think Nissan will even export enough Ariyas in the first year to hit the limit (with Leaf sales bottoming out). Just a guess but with the ID.4, MachE, and Model Y all being available before the Ariya along with the projection that the Ioniq 5 will be out before the Ariya, it might take 2 years before we need to worry about hitting the limit.

Will Nissan follow VW by introducing the 2WD first or make the 4WD available at the same time?

 

[funnynardo]

Given the estimated total sales figures for the Leaf of about 140,000, I'm not worried about Nissan hitting 200K. I don't think Nissan will even export enough Ariyas in the first year to hit the limit (with Leaf sales bottoming out). Just a guess but with the ID.4, MachE, and Model Y all being available before the Ariya along with the projection that the Ioniq 5 will be out before the Ariya, it might take 2 years before we need to worry about hitting the limit.

Will Nissan follow VW by introducing the 2WD first or make the 4WD available at the same time?

ya i guess they wont come close to the quota this year. i just hope to be able to get it by the end of this year, but looks like they are taking their own time with it, which is bad considering they might be losing market share to id4 and new standard range model y, as well as mach e.

i doubt they would do 2wd and 4wd at same time. probably will aim for california sales first with 2wd, and northeast sales after with 4wd.

 

[EVone]

Updating this thread..

ID 4 has been out a few Months and overall Reviews have been impressive on Range and Specifically on how quiet the cabin is as you are driving. Seats very comfortable as is the ride.

Design interior exterior .. lets say very good but "normal" nothing extravagant.

INfo screen is said to be not very responsive UNLESS you turn off Navigation ..which like most Brands is usually junk anyway.. I'll just plug Google maps in.


I have test drive the ID 4 and can attest to all of the above.


I REALLY REALLY wanted the Aryria (and still may get it)

Just frustrated that not even Demos on Lot to test drive and then if we like place an order.

Either way I have decided to wait on my decision until Spring (I think )... If I love the Aryria ..I'll spend the extra and get it ..if I don't I'll save probably 8K or so and get a low mileage used ID 4 on CarGuurs


I drive a 2017 Bolt right now ..love it except the charging speed usually 45kW summer , 20Kw winter.. as a Uber Driver..that's just not doable.

 

[Kalvin]

Updating this thread..

ID 4 has been out a few Months and overall Reviews have been impressive on Range and Specifically on how quiet the cabin is as you are driving. Seats very comfortable as is the ride.

Design interior exterior .. lets say very good but "normal" nothing extravagant.

INfo screen is said to be not very responsive UNLESS you turn off Navigation ..which like most Brands is usually junk anyway.. I'll just plug Google maps in.


I have test drive the ID 4 and can attest to all of the above.


I REALLY REALLY wanted the Aryria (and still may get it)

Just frustrated that not even Demos on Lot to test drive and then if we like place an order.

Either way I have decided to wait on my decision until Spring (I think )... If I love the Aryria ..I'll spend the extra and get it ..if I don't I'll save probably 8K or so and get a low mileage used ID 4 on CarGuurs


I drive a 2017 Bolt right now ..love it except the charging speed usually 45kW summer , 20Kw winter.. as a Uber Driver..that's just not doable.

Welcome to the forum @EVone
How important are sporty driving dynamics to you? Because it seems to be one way the Ariya will stand out. Nissan keeps mentioning how it shares DNA with its sports cars (primarily the Z) and that could make these more enjoyable to drive.

 

[EVone]

Welcome to the forum @EVone
How important are sporty driving dynamics to you? Because it seems to be one way the Ariya will stand out. Nissan keeps mentioning how it shares DNA with its sports cars (primarily the Z) and that could make these more enjoyable to drive.

Range and Charging Capabilities first ..Then Sporty

 

[funnynardo]

i test drove the id4 a few weeks ago. it was actually way better than i expected. quieter and more comfortable than my model 3, but not as quick of course. the turning radius on the id4 is absolutely insane. great to drive in the city. if you are coming from a gas car, id4 will feel extremely fun, even though on paper it doesnt seem like it.

 

[EVone]

i test drove the id4 a few weeks ago. it was actually way better than i expected. quieter and more comfortable than my model 3, but not as quick of course. the turning radius on the id4 is absolutely insane. great to drive in the city. if you are coming from a gas car, id4 will feel extremely fun, even though on paper it doesnt seem like it.

I've owned the Chevy Bolt for over ayear..The ID 4's faster charging rate 2 1/2 times faster than the Bolt is what I am mostly interested in. The turning radius is also a big plus driving Uber picking up passengers on the "wrong" side of the street etc..

 

[Alan F]

I, too, test drove the ID.4 and was impressed with the ride quality and style. The RWD I drove had adequate power. I placed a deposit for a pre-order then cancelled it due to several issues. I couldn't get past the fact that it has rear drum brakes. Haven't had that since my last VW - a 1970 Beetle. The sound system is fair at best, and has no sub-woofer. Finally, the range for the AWD model with the 20" wheels is 240 miles. A bit short for me.

 

[gxhiu]

I too am torn between id4 and ariya. At first was leaning towards ariya for its proclaimed sportiness and epedal and because the id4 is so often touted as unexciting. Then I test drove a tesla and realized its "sportiness" was giving me motion sickness. All the mental effort it took to make sure I was smooth on the pedal was really tiring. I now think the id4's lack of sportiness might actually be a plus if it makes the ride more comfortable. But the ariya is so much hotter...arggh.

 

[MzNewEV]

I have an ID.4 because the Ariya got pushed back and I don't want to wait. Love my ID.4 but I reserved an Ariya today! I must say I am not sure how the Ariya will compete. The ID.4 pricing and charging deal (3 years free) is much better. But we will see in a year or so. I love the look and features of the Ariya. Loved it at first sight.

 

[641]

Quite a few of you mention the ride quality of the Id.4 but I am not a fan of the interior of the VW's so looking to preorder an Ariya when availabe.
I have been driving Citroens (Hydro-pneumatic) for the last 35+ years and would really like a simular ride. As most manufacturers go for the firmer suspension setup, does anyone have any idea how the Ariya will ride, firm and sporty, or soft and relaxing?

 

[amigajoe]

i test drove the id4 a few weeks ago. it was actually way better than i expected. quieter and more comfortable than my model 3, but not as quick of course. the turning radius on the id4 is absolutely insane. great to drive in the city. if you are coming from a gas car, id4 will feel extremely fun, even though on paper it doesnt seem like it.

Funnynardo - Funny to see you here !

I drove an Ionic5 and an id4 a couple weeks ago. I can't get over the fact that the infotainment in the id4 felt like it came out of a 4y.o. car, whereas the Hyundai felt brand-new. And I assume the Ariya will feel that way too. I have reservations on both, and the choice may come down to the dealer markup / add-on situation.

I also have an id4 reservation that I put in a couple months ago. I almost cancelled it after the drive, but I'm keeping it there for now. Just in case things get wacky and I can't get an i5 or Ariya for less than 10k markup when the times comes that we "Need" a vehicle.

 

[amigajoe]

I have an ID.4 because the Ariya got pushed back and I don't want to wait. Love my ID.4 but I reserved an Ariya today! I must say I am not sure how the Ariya will compete. The ID.4 pricing and charging deal (3 years free) is much better. But we will see in a year or so. I love the look and features of the Ariya. Loved it at first sight.

It's all relative to each individual, but for me the free charging is relative to the value of my time. I live in SoCal, and in an area with lots of EVs, so there is actually an Electrify America charger 3 miles from me at a grocery store I frequent, so that is SUPER ideal. And another EA location at a Target I pass by twice per week, so I would possibly use that too. Point being that I would be able to run some errands while I was charging, which is great.

BUT, I personally would not drive 20 minutes + out of my way and just sit there for 30 minutes while I charge.

When I had my Leaf (2015 - 2018) I often did that because I had no choice (apartment living), but once I got my Tesla and got back in to a house I didn't miss -having- to stop somewhere and charge.

On top of all that is the fact that high-speed charging on a frequent basis isn't great for the longevity of the battery, so depending on how long you normally keep your cars...

 

[reeler]

The ID.4 is promising OTA updates that are supposed to fix the laggy nav unit. If you turn off the VW mapping feature and rely on wireless Carplay/Auto, it performs better.

I need AWD and don't like that requires you to buy the most expensive version of Ariya. I prefer cloth seats so will likely cancel my Ariya reservation unless they start offering a lower-optioned AWD option.

 

[amigajoe]

The ID.4 is promising OTA updates that are supposed to fix the laggy nav unit. If you turn off the VW mapping feature and rely on wireless Carplay/Auto, it performs better.

I need AWD and don't like that requires you to buy the most expensive version of Ariya. I prefer cloth seats so will likely cancel my Ariya reservation unless they start offering a lower-optioned AWD option.

If I hear about that update coming out before I have to make a choice then I will definitely check it out, but no OEM except for Tesla has shown a good track record of putting out updates. (I think VW has done one update for the id4 in the U.S. so far, but I could be wrong) That said, I wouldn’t buy it based on the fact that a software update is promised to come out at some point.

BUT, your comment is enough for me to go look at again, and set my iPhone up and see what things would be like if I used CarPlay. I would want to see how easy it is to get in and out of CarPlay, etc etc.

 

[poconohall]

If I hear about that update coming out before I have to make a choice then I will definitely check it out, but no OEM except for Tesla has shown a good track record of putting out updates. (I think VW has done one update for the id4 in the U.S. so far, but I could be wrong) That said, I wouldn’t buy it based on the fact that a software update is promised to come out at some point.

BUT, your comment is enough for me to go look at again, and set my iPhone up and see what things would be like if I used CarPlay. I would want to see how easy it is to get in and out of CarPlay, etc etc.

I have a reservation for a Platinum + Arita and I currently have a Volvo XC40 Recharge Twin and I’ve had three OTA updates since October 2021 when I first got the car and one done at the Volvo dealership a couple of days ago when I was having a slow leak in the right rear tire repaired . The Volvo EV’s and some of their Extended Range Plug In Hybrids use the Google Android Automotive System.

 

[ab13]

The ID.4 is promising OTA updates that are supposed to fix the laggy nav unit. If you turn off the VW mapping feature and rely on wireless Carplay/Auto, it performs better.

I need AWD and don't like that requires you to buy the most expensive version of Ariya. I prefer cloth seats so will likely cancel my Ariya reservation unless they start offering a lower-optioned AWD option.

Will depend in what region you order from. US has only 1 AWD model at release (another one is listed on website but apparently not for initial release). I noticed Canada (BC) has 3 AWD models.

 

[CADGISEngr]

Given the estimated total sales figures for the Leaf of about 140,000, I'm not worried about Nissan hitting 200K. I don't think Nissan will even export enough Ariyas in the first year to hit the limit (with Leaf sales bottoming out). Just a guess but with the ID.4, MachE, and Model Y all being available before the Ariya along with the projection that the Ioniq 5 will be out before the Ariya, it might take 2 years before we need to worry about hitting the limit.

Will Nissan follow VW by introducing the 2WD first or make the 4WD available at the same time?

im leaning towards the ariya mainly because of the propilot 2.0. tesla autopilot is really great for highway driving, so propilot should be even better with handsfree. i also think the interior of the ariya would be superior to the id4. only thing i hope ariya has is an option for one pedal driving and the car is started when you press brake pedal rather than having to push a start button. just worried i might not get the federal incentive on ariya because of the 200k sales limit. i need that reservation!

Now that reservations have been cut off in the US it looks like a production run of 30,000 for 2022 is the target. Well under the 200k limit.