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With thousands of people waiting for information. It should be more than expected in Fall. It seems like everyone opens threads hoping somebody will say I have a update. You should not have to check emails or read post hoping for info: There should also be update on contract we signed. Nissan should at least narrow it down to a MONTH when shipments start. Getting Frustrated like everyone else. I also talked to a owner with 2015 Volkswagen Golf 2015 he said his mileage on battery is dropping as car gets older, I did not like that statement from him. Hopefully Technology has advanced but 2015 is not that old?
 

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Does the relative silence surrounding this car make anyone else nervous? The Ride and Drive events are superb but beyond that I'm not hearing much from Nissan (or anyone) and I'm beginning to wonder if fall launch really means Nissan will deliver 1 Ariya on Dec 20 at 11:59pm.
 

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I agree. Nissan lack of communications is alarming. I'm thinking I will be canceling my Ariya and will be ordering a Tesla Model Y. Two concerns I have about the Ariya is that one - they won't qualify for a tax rebate after 1 Jan 2023 (I believe) because they are not made in the US and second - it seems like Tesla Supercharger network is the only reliable charging system. I'm concerned I won't be able to take the Ariya on a road trip since Electrify America's are not reliable and ChargePoints all seem to be level 1 chargers. Any thoughts on this as I'd appreciate to hear of your opinions!!
 

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The Ariya’s tax rebate status is up for debate. If you have a binding agreement (and if IRS accepts it as a binding agreement under their definition) the change in calendar year won’t matter - and likewise if the binding agreement isn’t valid. I understand wanting to back out because of that, it’s super frustrating to learn the car you’ve waited ages for is suddenly $7500 more expensive. I really like the Model Y but its price tag is just too steep for me (even with the tax rebate) - the Ariya’s interior is much nicer IMO. I’m less concerned about charging station reliability mostly because I only take road trips a few times a year so that will depend on your needs and how often you’ll take long distance trips. I think Electrify America has an interest in improving reliability with EV adoption picking up steam now so I’m hopeful on that front. My biggest concern now is production and wait times. I’ve already been burned by Volkswagen by waiting so long for an ID4 that I lost the tax credit and estimated delivery slipped from summer this year to Jan next year. I really don’t want to be sitting around still waiting for Nissan to deliver my Ariya a year from now.
 

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With thousands of people waiting for information. It should be more than expected in Fall. It seems like everyone opens threads hoping somebody will say I have a update. You should not have to check emails or read post hoping for info: There should also be update on contract we signed. Nissan should at least narrow it down to a MONTH when shipments start. Getting Frustrated like everyone else. I also talked to a owner with 2015 Volkswagen Golf 2015 he said his mileage on battery is dropping as car gets older, I did not like that statement from him. Hopefully Technology has advanced but 2015 is not that old?
My first generation 2011 Leaf battery (24KW gross ) has only degraded 23% which I consider pretty respectable. I believe part of the reason for our limited degradation is that I live in a moderate climate (Pacific NW) and it has only seen DC fast charging once….. and that quick charge took place on a cool spring morning. Of course the down side of having a 23% degradation on our first generation Leaf is our real world range was limited to about 75 miles when new. So today our practical real world range is between 40-60 miles depending on climate conditions.
Conversely if the Ariya 87/91KW battery pack ends up degrading at the same rate as our Leaf after eleven years I can live with that, since real world range of the extended range Ariya battery will still allow it to travel 200 miles or more on a single charge.
 

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You guys at least have prices confirmed. No prices announced in Canada yet!
Technically no. No Florida Nissan dealer will not commit to a price. All Nissan dealers around me are adding $5K to $10K markup. I have one that agreed to $2.5K over MSRP via text/email but they said the MSRP isn't official yet so they can't give me a price sheet. I moved my order from my original Orlando area dealer who said between "$5K to $10K" markup on MY reservation to this $2.5K markup dealer because it's the best I've found and they have the best reviews.

In Canada, at least you pay MSRP.
 

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Technically no. No Florida Nissan dealer will not commit to a price. All Nissan dealers around me are adding $5K to $10K markup. I have one that agreed to $2.5K over MSRP via text/email but they said the MSRP isn't official yet so they can't give me a price sheet. I moved my order from my original Orlando area dealer who said between "$5K to $10K" markup on MY reservation to this $2.5K markup dealer because it's the best I've found and they have the best reviews.

In Canada, at least you pay MSRP.
I have nothing to support this, but I suspect that the real reason Nissan shut down the reservation process in the USA was because of the unstable and rapid rise of EV production costs in the past 6 -8 months.
(If my suspicion is reality, this scenario could also be why Canada hasn’t seen published MSRP because the timing of their launch began around the time when EV mfg. costs really began to spiral out of control .)
As Ariya USA reservation holders who have agreed to a published MSRP, we can only hope that Nissan will follow through with their original commitment. Personally I’m hoping that Nissan was paying attention to the negative press and outcry of long time Rivian reservation holders once they were told that Rivian could no longer hold the line on MSRP. If you hadn't been following that story, Rivian eventually did succumb to the pressure and agreed to walk back their price increase to previously ordered customers.
Soaring EV costs are pretty telling as we see that the Cadillac Lyric and Ford E-150/Mach -E reservations have just reopened with substantial price increases.
 

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Nissan did increase prices but reservation holders have locked prices

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There does seem to be some confusion that needs to be cleared up however. Notice that the website also just changed and several new models are now listed. So I just did an on line chat and asked “Katie“ if I could change my reservation to an Engage e4orce. Her reply was I should be able to change my reservation but my delivery date would be delayed?
 

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Hard to say why it would affect you if they r not built yet,Or are they? Or have all reservations been put in data to be built. will we ever know?? Good Luck
 
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