Nissan sent out a survey a while back that included a significant number of questions related to e-Step vs. e-Pedal, so there's hope they'll provide at least the option to use e-Pedal instead. Generally speaking, e-Step has not been well received.
One pedal (e-step) driving...How has it been for the leaf owners from e-pedal to e-step? Telsa owners who now have an Ariya..How does it compare?
Tesla owner here..after test driving an Enpower for a few miles, not a fan of the e-step. Will be keeping the Tesla and will switch back and forth if I buy the Ariya. Have an old ICE minivan too so three different braking feel. I'm an old dog and worry about learning this new trick. Would love to hear your experiences and comments!
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I test drove a RED enpower last week. When we sat down to talk about the car, I mentioned the e-pedal. The saleperson said customers didn't want it. I replied they should have left it in and allow customers to turn it off. He didn't expect that response and moved on to another feature. LOL. I have learned so much from posters on this forum. I have been to several Nissan dealers and all of them really do not know what owning a EV is about. They can only repeat the specs. They had a blank look when I mentioned the charging speed is slow. While Tesla leave a lot to be desired on their post sales, you know how much you will be paying for a car when shopping. Having to pay for car mats and an illuminated kick plates shows Nissan desperate to squeeze every dollar they can get. I guess it will pay for the Meta VR sets.Nissan sent out a survey a while back that included a significant number of questions related to e-Step vs. e-Pedal, so there's hope they'll provide at least the option to use e-Pedal instead. Generally speaking, e-Step has not been well received.
I had a 2018 Leaf and now A 2023 Ariya Evolve +. The e-step takes a while to get used to but after 700 miles of mostly city driving, I don't even think about it. I incorporate the auto-brake function and for me it is easy peasy.
It's just one man's opinion, but I consider this much ado about nothing. It took me a few drives to build the muscle memory, but that's it. I notice for a second when I get into an EV, but this is like riding a bike. You just insta adapt and drive wo/thought.
I literally cancelled my Ariya reservation after driving one and bought a Tesla, so I sort of get it, but I don't think it's fair to say a Tesla doesn't have its own ownership costs that aren't entirely obvious. Here are just a few:I test drove a RED enpower last week. When we sat down to talk about the car, I mentioned the e-pedal. The saleperson said customers didn't want it. I replied they should have left it in and allow customers to turn it off. He didn't expect that response and moved on to another feature. LOL. I have learned so much from posters on this forum. I have been to several Nissan dealers and all of them really do not know what owning a EV is about. They can only repeat the specs. They had a blank look when I mentioned the charging speed is slow. While Tesla leave a lot to be desired on their post sales, you know how much you will be paying for a car when shopping. Having to pay for car mats and an illuminated kick plates shows Nissan desperate to squeeze every dollar they can get. I guess it will pay for the Meta VR sets.
1) The factory floor mats are inadequate IMHO. I'd rather not have paid for them.
2) No sun shade in the roof at all? WTF is that?
3) It doesn't have a radio, and I have to own a premium subscription to stream music?
4) How can I upgrade the cabin lighting? I think a burned-out match puts out more light.
5) It comes with no EVSE at all (think about that you guys complaining you have to buy another EVSE).
6) No console organization at all? That's a freaking option?
That said I'm certainly not going to defend Nissan NA or my dealers in the area, both have an "Aren't you lucky I'll sell you this car" attitude that Tesla doesn't. Just not entirely a "grass greener" deal is all.
My Tesla model 3 SR+ did not come with floor mats. After feeling the heat the first summer of owning the car, we bought a sunshield that is never removed. My pet peeve with model 3 and Y are they have no grab handles in the headliners. My mother-in-law and older folks have a tough time getting in and out of the car. The Ariya is not too good in the center console storage. Other than a phone for charging, you can store a pack of gum or two. I have asked my salesperson to find me a Ariya without the illuminated kickplates that costs $485. Nope they all have them. Went to another dealer, yup we can get you one without the kickplates. Every car has some issues.. Deciding if I should buy the Ariya or wait to see how GM rolls out their SUV EVs.I literally cancelled my Ariya reservation after driving one and bought a Tesla, so I sort of get it, but I don't think it's fair to say a Tesla doesn't have its own ownership costs that aren't entirely obvious. Here are just a few:
1) The factory floor mats are inadequate IMHO. I'd rather not have paid for them.
2) No sun shade in the roof at all? WTF is that?
3) It doesn't have a radio, and I have to own a premium subscription to stream music?
4) How can I upgrade the cabin lighting? I think a burned-out match puts out more light.
5) It comes with no EVSE at all (think about that you guys complaining you have to buy another EVSE).
6) No console organization at all? That's a freaking option?
That said I'm certainly not going to defend Nissan NA or my dealers in the area, both have an "Aren't you lucky I'll sell you this car" attitude that Tesla doesn't. Just not entirely a "grass greener" deal is all.
Ditto. Before getting my Ariya I was concerned about not having the e-pedal. I actually prefer the e-step as it is a smoother drive with fewer seasick passengers. I did like how the e-pedal brought the Leaf to a beautiful soft stop. Now I've re-learned how to use the brakes to have a soft stop. No big deal. The only problem I've found with the auto-brake function is when I park facing up a hill. It causes a bit of stutter with the brakes when first backing up. I know now to turn that function off before moving the car.I had a 2018 Leaf and now A 2023 Ariya Evolve +. The e-step takes a while to get used to but after 700 miles of mostly city driving, I don't even think about it. I incorporate the auto-brake function and for me it is easy peasy.
Nissan has an accessory which serves as storage bin that goes on the floor between the seats in front. I have one on order to solve the console storage shortcoming. This way nothing will roll under my feet either.My Tesla model 3 SR+ did not come with floor mats. After feeling the heat the first summer of owning the car, we bought a sunshield that is never removed. My pet peeve with model 3 and Y are they have no grab handles in the headliners. My mother-in-law and older folks have a tough time getting in and out of the car. The Ariya is not too good in the center console storage. Other than a phone for charging, you can store a pack of gum or two. I have asked my salesperson to find me a Ariya without the illuminated kickplates that costs $485. Nope they all have them. Went to another dealer, yup we can get you one without the kickplates. Every car has some issues.. Deciding if I should buy the Ariya or wait to see how GM rolls out their SUV EVs.
I have never owned a vehicle with One Pedal or EStep until I bought the Ariya. At first, it was a strange feeling to use the EStep because I have to “time” my accelerator pedal release. After 100 miles or so, I totally drive with EStep feature on. The best part is the Ariya auto brake hold feature. Tesla does not have auto brake hold feature. They still need to apply foot brake pedal at the stop light. I don’t think I can live without the auto brake hold feature. Once I use it, I am not going back.
I am very sure Nissan will allow us the ability to have sensitivity of the EStep to become One Pedal. I brought this up to the Nissan trainer 2 weeks ago. He said upper management is very well aware from customers’s feedback.
If you think not having One Pedal is bad, I think not having the ability to open a panoramic moonroof is far worst than I am willing to accept on the Tesla. Even with temperature of 65F outside, I feel stuffy in my Ariya if I don’t have the ability to open my panoramic moonroof. I don’t always want to turn on the AC every time I sit inside my Ariya. I guess you’re ok with the AC on whenever you drive your Tesla. It’s spring time. I want to maximize the use of my panoramic moonroof (along with using my automatic sunshade cover). I bought the Evolve+ mainly because of the beautiful panoramic moonroof + sunshade cover.
I am very sure Nissan will allow us the ability to have sensitivity of the EStep to become One Pedal. I brought this up to the Nissan trainer 2 weeks ago. He said upper management is very well aware from customers’s feedback.
If you think not having One Pedal is bad, I think not having the ability to open a panoramic moonroof is far worst than I am willing to accept on the Tesla. Even with temperature of 65F outside, I feel stuffy in my Ariya if I don’t have the ability to open my panoramic moonroof. I don’t always want to turn on the AC every time I sit inside my Ariya. I guess you’re ok with the AC on whenever you drive your Tesla. It’s spring time. I want to maximize the use of my panoramic moonroof (along with using my automatic sunshade cover). I bought the Evolve+ mainly because of the beautiful panoramic moonroof + sunshade cover.
In the Tesla, they don’t have brake auto-hold, but you can shut off “creep,” which means you don’t move forward at all without pushing the accelerator.I have never owned a vehicle with One Pedal or EStep until I bought the Ariya. At first, it was a strange feeling to use the EStep because I have to “time” my accelerator pedal release. After 100 miles or so, I totally drive with EStep feature on. The best part is the Ariya auto brake hold feature. Tesla does not have auto brake hold feature. They still need to apply foot brake pedal at the stop light. I don’t think I can live without the auto brake hold feature. Once I use it, I am not going back.
I am very sure Nissan will allow us the ability to have sensitivity of the EStep to become One Pedal. I brought this up to the Nissan trainer 2 weeks ago. He said upper management is very well aware from customers’s feedback.
If you think not having One Pedal is bad, I think not having the ability to open a panoramic moonroof is far worst than I am willing to accept on the Tesla. Even with temperature of 65F outside, I feel stuffy in my Ariya if I don’t have the ability to open my panoramic moonroof. I don’t always want to turn on the AC every time I sit inside my Ariya. I guess you’re ok with the AC on whenever you drive your Tesla. It’s spring time. I want to maximize the use of my panoramic moonroof (along with using my automatic sunshade cover). I bought the Evolve+ mainly because of the beautiful panoramic moonroof + sunshade cover.
Ok.In the Tesla, they don’t have brake auto-hold, but you can shut off “creep,” which means you don’t move forward at all without pushing the accelerator.
Personally, I don't like driving behind a Tesla. Most times, the drivers will release their foot off the accelerator pedal way too soon before coming to a stop at the stop light. It's sooo annoying! There's plenty of distance ahead between the Tesla and the car in front of the Tesla.
Prarie, as factory delivered a Tesla regens based on how far you lift your foot and literally auto-applies the brakes at every full stop (once stopped) until you apply power again. You can turn that off by enabling "Creep", but I don't know anybody that does. What is your definition of "auto-hold"?In the Tesla, they don’t have brake auto-hold, but you can shut off “creep,” which means you don’t move forward at all without pushing the accelerator.
Yes, that’s how I understand the Teslas to work.Prarie, as factory delivered a Tesla regens based on how far you lift your foot and literally auto-applies the brakes at every full stop (once stopped) until you apply power again. You can turn that off by enabling "Creep", but I don't know anybody that does. What is your definition of "auto-hold"?
Auto-hold on the Ariya works so that when I am at a full stop, depress the brake, then release it, the vehicle does not move again until I press the accelerator.
@dafish, I was more commenting to @Hank while the Tesla doesn’t have a specifically named auto hold feature, it functions very similarly when creep is shut off. I hope that makes sense now.Prarie, as factory delivered a Tesla regens based on how far you lift your foot and literally auto-applies the brakes at every full stop (once stopped) until you apply power again. You can turn that off by enabling "Creep", but I don't know anybody that does. What is your definition of "auto-hold"?
Drove home tonight in my Evolve+. I agree with you about one pedal. It was smooth but I noticed once I eased up on the accelerator, the brake light flashed. My tesla has the sunshield on and is never removed. Don't want my seats to melt. Most importantly, I mentioned the cheap quality carpeted mats and how I learn from Hank who post on the Ariya forum. The sales guy reads our posts on the forums and threw in the all weather mats to go with my carpet ones. Thanks Hank and Bryan (my internet sales manager)!I have never owned a vehicle with One Pedal or EStep until I bought the Ariya. At first, it was a strange feeling to use the EStep because I have to “time” my accelerator pedal release. After 100 miles or so, I totally drive with EStep feature on. The best part is the Ariya auto brake hold feature. Tesla does not have auto brake hold feature. They still need to apply foot brake pedal at the stop light. I don’t think I can live without the auto brake hold feature. Once I use it, I am not going back.
I am very sure Nissan will allow us the ability to have sensitivity of the EStep to become One Pedal. I brought this up to the Nissan trainer 2 weeks ago. He said upper management is very well aware from customers’s feedback.
If you think not having One Pedal is bad, I think not having the ability to open a panoramic moonroof is far worst than I am willing to accept on the Tesla. Even with temperature of 65F outside, I feel stuffy in my Ariya if I don’t have the ability to open my panoramic moonroof. I don’t always want to turn on the AC every time I sit inside my Ariya. I guess you’re ok with the AC on whenever you drive your Tesla. It’s spring time. I want to maximize the use of my panoramic moonroof (along with using my automatic sunshade cover). I bought the Evolve+ mainly because of the beautiful panoramic moonroof + sunshade cover.
Congratulations on your purchase of the Evolve+. Wow, I had no idea you were at the dealership yesterday when you started this thread. You will love your new Ariya!! So now you have your Tesla M3 and the Evolve+, what are you going to do with the M3?Drove home tonight in my Evolve+. I agree with you about one pedal. It was smooth but I noticed once I eased up on the accelerator, the brake light flashed. My tesla has the sunshield on and is never removed. Don't want my seats to melt. Most importantly, I mentioned the cheap quality carpeted mats and how I learn from Hank who post on the Ariya forum. The sales guy reads our posts on the forums and threw in the all weather mats to go with my carpet ones. Thanks Hank and Bryan (my internet sales manager)!
You had concerned about the lack of storage space on the center arm console on the Ariya. Lately, I have been using the electronic storage box to store my Bose headphones when I’m not using it at the gym. It has more storage space than my current Volvo XC90, and previous 4Runner and Tundra. The Ariya electronic storage box is deep and allows me to put my wallet, Bose headphones, Pixel phone, etc
The Ariya rugged rubber floor mats look very sharp. It helps beautify the interior. I wish all dealerships offer them for FREE. Free is good! 🙃
I've been thinking about what you said as I was driving my Ariya this afternoon.In the Tesla, they don’t have brake auto-hold, but you can shut off “creep,” which means you don’t move forward at all without pushing the accelerator.
If the Tesla driver turns off his "creep', this means the driver has to "perfectly timed" his foot off the accelerator pedal if he can stop 3-4 feet from the car in front of him at the stop light. If he does not time it perfectly, he will not be able to creep, and thus remain "frozen" in place unless he steps on the accelerator again to correct his timing.
Whereas, with the Ariya eStep, we come to a crawl. Once the car stops where we want, we apply the auto brake hold. No longer do we need to fuss with the accelerator again. I think Nissan has this correct.
There are a lot of Teslas out there on the road. If it was that difficult or requires a lot of precision, you'd see a lot more issues.I've been thinking about what you said as I was driving my Ariya this afternoon.
If the Tesla driver turns off his "creep', this means the driver has to "perfectly timed" his foot off the accelerator pedal if he can stop 3-4 feet from the car in front of him at the stop light. If he does not time it perfectly, he will not be able to creep, and thus remain "frozen" in place unless he steps on the accelerator again to correct his timing.
Whereas, with the Ariya eStep, we come to a crawl. Once the car stops where we want, we apply the auto brake hold. No longer do we need to fuss with the accelerator again. I think Nissan has this correct.
I don't use creep on the Tesla, and it just feels intuitive. The car slow slows down as you let off the accelerator - its a linear decrease so its simple to ease to a gradual stop. If you feel you're stopping too soon, you hold the pressure on the accelerator and current speed continues a little bit more, and then you ease off as desired. Not much issue judging the distance. The Ariya's gradual decrease (using B mode and e-step) feels similar, except it does not slow to a stop.
Ok, that makes sense with holding the pressure on the accelerator to judge the distance before letting off the foot completely.There are a lot of Teslas out there on the road. If it was that difficult or requires a lot of precision, you'd see a lot more issues.
I don't use creep on the Tesla, and it just feels intuitive. The car slow slows down as you let off the accelerator - its a linear decrease so its simple to ease to a gradual stop. If you feel you're stopping too soon, you hold the pressure on the accelerator and current speed continues a little bit more, and then you ease off as desired. Not much issue judging the distance. The Ariya's gradual decrease (using B mode and e-step) feels similar, except it does not slow to a stop.
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