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Probably the Ariya. Still waiting for them to show the id.4. But I want over the air updates, power lift gate, some sort of self driving, and leather
Other than the Ariya, what new EVs are you looking forward to?
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The ID.4 is going to be very interesting. VW has a lot invested in the ID lineup but I've read they've had some issues finishing up areas like software.Probably the Ariya. Still waiting for them to show the id.4. But I want over the air updates, power lift gate, some sort of self driving, and leather
I have narrowed my choices down further over time. My list is now down to the ID.4 and the Ariya. I scratched the Model 3 off the list because I don't feel Tesla has enough service centers to make me comfortable I can get reasonably fast turnaround if the car needs to be serviced. I scratched the Mach E because I was not impressed by the leaked initial EPA range estimates for the extended range model and I also am not fond of the tablet screen.
Between the Ariya and ID.4, I am leaning ID.4. Firstly, I believe the ID.4 will arrive sooner (first Quarter 2021) and I am anxious to my purchase completed. I fear the Ariya's roll out would place it in my hands in early 2022. Secondly, I am impressed with Volkswagen's decision to go all in on EVs. They appear to invested in the MEB platform and are rolling out their ID line of cars efficiently. The also are rolling out a broader line of EVs through their interests in Audi, Porsche, Skoda, etc. Whatever is motivating them (e.g., emissions scandal), there is a certain commitment level with the VW Group. The interior space is impressive and they also are throwing in three years of free fast charging at Electrify America charge stations. Finally, the creature comforts I can get for the amount I am willing to spend are pretty extensive on the ID.4 (glass roof w/retractable shade, heated seats, massage seats, kick activated tail-gate, etc. It won't be as sporty a performer as the Ariya, but I am not looking for sporty.
The on only way I will shift back towards the Ariya is if the electronic/infotainment issues that the ID.3 came with have not been resolved in the ID.4 by the time the Ariya becomes available.
Between the Ariya and ID.4, I am leaning ID.4. Firstly, I believe the ID.4 will arrive sooner (first Quarter 2021) and I am anxious to my purchase completed. I fear the Ariya's roll out would place it in my hands in early 2022. Secondly, I am impressed with Volkswagen's decision to go all in on EVs. They appear to invested in the MEB platform and are rolling out their ID line of cars efficiently. The also are rolling out a broader line of EVs through their interests in Audi, Porsche, Skoda, etc. Whatever is motivating them (e.g., emissions scandal), there is a certain commitment level with the VW Group. The interior space is impressive and they also are throwing in three years of free fast charging at Electrify America charge stations. Finally, the creature comforts I can get for the amount I am willing to spend are pretty extensive on the ID.4 (glass roof w/retractable shade, heated seats, massage seats, kick activated tail-gate, etc. It won't be as sporty a performer as the Ariya, but I am not looking for sporty.
The on only way I will shift back towards the Ariya is if the electronic/infotainment issues that the ID.3 came with have not been resolved in the ID.4 by the time the Ariya becomes available.
My Criteria:
1. At least 300 miles of range per EPA rating (this should give me at least 200 miles at 70 in winter).
2. Strong preference for hatchback, on the smaller side. Model S is too big for me.
3. Preference for android auto and heads up display
4. Reasonable self driving capability. I'm happy to need to pay attention
5. Charging curve that maintains full charging speed until at least 70% and charges at at least 150kw
6. A bit nicer interior than my Chevy Bolt.
7. Traditional dashboard (don't like the center screen only on the Y
My order of preference:
1. Ariya (I might put money down especially if a the rebate looks to be on the table and price is OK).
2. Cadillac Lyriq (Interesting car, a bit fancy for me)
3. Tesla Model Y (this may move up if a CCS adapter is developed)
4. BMW ix (I like station wagons....need to see more specs)
5. Maybe a Model S or Lucid (I could probably swing the price, but don't like the idea of spending that much on a car)
As I've said in other threads I'm a bit biased against Chinese batteries/cars because of quality concerns and following battery fire/reliability issues for all battery manufacturers.
1. At least 300 miles of range per EPA rating (this should give me at least 200 miles at 70 in winter).
2. Strong preference for hatchback, on the smaller side. Model S is too big for me.
3. Preference for android auto and heads up display
4. Reasonable self driving capability. I'm happy to need to pay attention
5. Charging curve that maintains full charging speed until at least 70% and charges at at least 150kw
6. A bit nicer interior than my Chevy Bolt.
7. Traditional dashboard (don't like the center screen only on the Y
My order of preference:
1. Ariya (I might put money down especially if a the rebate looks to be on the table and price is OK).
2. Cadillac Lyriq (Interesting car, a bit fancy for me)
3. Tesla Model Y (this may move up if a CCS adapter is developed)
4. BMW ix (I like station wagons....need to see more specs)
5. Maybe a Model S or Lucid (I could probably swing the price, but don't like the idea of spending that much on a car)
As I've said in other threads I'm a bit biased against Chinese batteries/cars because of quality concerns and following battery fire/reliability issues for all battery manufacturers.
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Ah! but which one?
They apparently have three coming out. Sounds very interesting.
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My possible EV's. All are in the running. Possible purchase in late 2021/Early 2022.
Ariya - tech looks to be better than the ID4 (USA).
ID4 - Have a reservation for this one, but no heat pump for US and missing some tech that is available in other countries.
Tesla Model Y - goes the furthest and hopefully quality control issues are corrected by 2022.
Ioniq 5 - We'll see. Hope, size wise, it's bigger than Kona and closer to those above.
Audi Q4 - Looks the best so far, but probably out of my price range, unless I can get one used by 2022.
Ariya - tech looks to be better than the ID4 (USA).
ID4 - Have a reservation for this one, but no heat pump for US and missing some tech that is available in other countries.
Tesla Model Y - goes the furthest and hopefully quality control issues are corrected by 2022.
Ioniq 5 - We'll see. Hope, size wise, it's bigger than Kona and closer to those above.
Audi Q4 - Looks the best so far, but probably out of my price range, unless I can get one used by 2022.
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Before the specs came out on those, I was ready to put down a deposit whenever preorders opened on the Ariya but Hyundai seems to have jumped ahead of Nissan technologically. 800 V rather than 400 V based system (charges 3 times faster at DC fast charger that can supply enough KW). 11 KW vs 7.2 home charging (as much as 4 hour difference in charging time, admittedly, rare this would make a difference) - although Ariya offers 22 KW 3 phase 400V charging in Europe but USA/Japan seems to be limited to 7.2). 280 miles on 58 KWh battery/342 with 73 KWh battery vs 224 miles on 65 KWh/310 with 90 KWh battery (WLTP estimates) so the Ioniq appears much more efficient . V2L so I can power my fridge during a power outage. Hyundai's Level 2 assisted driving tech/software is rated above Nissan's ProPilot. We'll have to see how ProPilot 2 and what Hyundai offers in the Ioniq compares.
Ioniq seems like it will be released in Europe/Korea before USA - in the summer? We will have to see what all those youtubers and EV review sites have to say once they get their hands on Ariya/Ioniq. Right now, I would buy the Ioniq 5 or one of it's variants.
We still haven't seen what Subaru/Toyota is coming out with and who/when solid state batteries will be offered.
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Before the specs came out on those, I was ready to put down a deposit whenever preorders opened on the Ariya but Hyundai seems to have jumped ahead of Nissan technologically. 800 V rather than 400 V based system (charges 3 times faster at DC fast charger that can supply enough KW). 11 KW vs 7.2 home charging (as much as 4 hour difference in charging time, admittedly, rare this would make a difference) - although Ariya offers 22 KW 3 phase 400V charging in Europe but USA/Japan seems to be limited to 7.2). 280 miles on 58 KWh battery/342 with 73 KWh battery vs 224 miles on 65 KWh/310 with 90 KWh battery (WLTP estimates) so the Ioniq appears much more efficient . V2L so I can power my fridge during a power outage. Hyundai's Level 2 assisted driving tech/software is rated above Nissan's ProPilot. We'll have to see how ProPilot 2 and what Hyundai offers in the Ioniq compares.
Ioniq seems like it will be released in Europe/Korea before USA - in the summer? We will have to see what all those youtubers and EV review sites have to say once they get their hands on Ariya/Ioniq. Right now, I would buy the Ioniq 5 or one of it's variants.
We still haven't seen what Subaru/Toyota is coming out with and who/when solid state batteries will be offered.
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1. nissan ariya
2. mustang mach e (could be moved down based on how good ioniq 5 is)
3. model y
4. id4
2. mustang mach e (could be moved down based on how good ioniq 5 is)
3. model y
4. id4
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The Ioniq 5's design fascinates me. I'm still not sure if I like it or not. It's unique at least I'll give Hyundai that.
My top 2 choices are the Ariya or the Bolt EUV. Have a Bolt EUV reserved but I'm not sure anything is happening in the reservation process. Everything seems about the same price. The Ariya in the configuration I want would probably run for 50k, then with a tax credit becomes 43k. The Bolt is no longer eligible for a tax credit and its top model is 43k. Looks like with the Bolt you need to make the purchase by summer in order to have Chevy install the charging system for you, so if there isn't more promising movement on the Ariya getting released by then, that will make the decision for me. Feels like I've been waiting and hearing cricket chirps on the Ariya and I don't want to miss out on the Bolt. I like the Ariya better though.
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No heat pump? What? Does that mean no heater in winter?
The ID.4 will have heat - it just won’t be as efficient as a heat pump. It will have heated seats, heated steering wheel, and heated windshield so I’m not convinced the heat pump is worth the small gain in efficiency and added noise.
What tech are you seeing that’s better?
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There will be heat in the ID.4. It's just not spread through the car through the heat pump.
What's interesting is that the Canadian ID.4s do come with a heat pump.
I wanted to hold out for the Ariya...but I ultimately could not. I liked the promise of the Ariya, but at the end of the day, it was not so much more appealing than the VW ID.4 and the Mustang Mach-E to make the wait worth it. I test drove both the Mach-E and the ID.4. The Mach-E is quick and fast, tech-loaded, and has an aggressive yet refined look. The ID.4 is all about practicality and creature comforts (a car for people who want an EV bit want it to feel like a regular old car with a bit of instant torque). In the end, we opted for an ID.4 First Edition. We took delivery last week. I will miss the Leaf Plus SV we traded in to get it, but so far I have been more than satisfied with the ID.4.
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I think giving up on the wait and getting something else is going to happen to a lot of us. I think the Ariya, much as I love it, has been something of a vaporware situation. They will eventually release it, but by the time they do, competing models will have been released or even upgraded by then, to where its not really better than the others. It just seemed like it way back when the car was announced, but all that did was keep Nissan's name in the game without having to produce a car. Every other car that appeared in its cohort has been driveable by reviewers, and there's a concrete timeline for them to come out, or they already have. Every review of the Ariya I see is the same copper unit making the rounds that reviewers aren't allowed to take out for a spin. What little bits of news I do see sounds like Nissan isn't even finished developing the car yet.
The Ariya really kickstarted my EV shopping phase, but in all this time I've seen so many other cars come available. I'll probably lease the new Bolt, maybe in 3 years the Ariya will have come to market.
The Ariya really kickstarted my EV shopping phase, but in all this time I've seen so many other cars come available. I'll probably lease the new Bolt, maybe in 3 years the Ariya will have come to market.
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