Real World Cold Weather Range?

117 miles driven and I still have 59% battery on my Long range FWD premium. Its been an average of 18 degrees here in Michigan.

That looks like the first 41% delivered 3.44 miles/kwh, which is pretty good actually. At that rate, you'd be looking at a full-to-empty range of 285 miles (assuming 83kw/h of usable battery) to 299 miles (assuming 87kw/h). Although we know the battery is sold as 87kw usable, in cold weather this may not be the case so I built that into this range estimate.

How much of that 117 miles has been at highway speed above 65mph?

thanks

Nissan79 said:

That looks like the first 41% delivered 3.44 miles/kwh, which is pretty good actually. At that rate, you'd be looking at a full-to-empty range of 285 miles (assuming 83kw/h of usable battery) to 299 miles (assuming 87kw/h). Although we know the battery is sold as 87kw usable, in cold weather this may not be the case so I built that into this range estimate.

How much of that 117 miles has been at highway speed above 65mph?

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I'd say 60% highway at 70-80 mph which is "normal" freeway speeds. Other 40% are aprox 50 mph surface roads with little breaking or 20 mph residential

Wow if you do end up keeping around 3.44 miles/khw in those conditions, that is remarkable. Keep us posted.

skargooo said:

117 miles driven and I still have 59% battery on my Long range FWD premium. Its been an average of 18 degrees here in Michigan.

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Assuming after driving the next 117 miles there is 9% battery charge remaining -= 234 miles before driver would typically be in search of a charge point. 👍

I done a trip 180 miles each way. The way down the it was stormy, raining and generay horrible. I hit about 2.5 mile/kwh. I had like 26 miles left from a full charge.
On the way back the weather was much better and roads had slightly dryed. got 3.2mile/KWh.

Had horrible trouble with no working chargers along the way between not working only doing a portion of the charging ablility. eh.

Kalvin said:

What has cold weather range been like for everyone here so far?

Curious to see how the Ariya stacks up to other EVs.

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Averaging about 3.6 miles/kWh in temps. between 30-40-degrees. Heater and defrost used. Eco, E-step and “B” mode used. Most driving 40-50 mph with limited stops.

Campy said:

Averaging about 3.6 miles/kWh in temps. between 30-40-degrees. Heater and defrost used. Eco, E-step and “B” mode used. Most driving 40-50 mph with limited stops.

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Great! That's about 290 miles matching EPA range estimate in cold weather. It'll be better (300+ miles) in warmer weather 60-90 degrees.

Campy said:

Averaging about 3.6 miles/kWh in temps. between 30-40-degrees. Heater and defrost used. Eco, E-step and “B” mode used. Most driving 40-50 mph with limited stops.

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Excuse my lack of knowledge, but what is “b” mode?

Push shifter down twice and you get to "B" mode. Driving in "B" mode improves your range.

Ooohh thanks! I’ve been driving in eco and e step so I’ll try this too!

Campy said:

Push shifter down twice and you get to "B" mode. Driving in "B" mode improves your range.

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Is B Mode better than ECO for distance? thanks

I'm sure we all know about this guy, but if not he's tested an awful lot of things, including the Ariya, at length and in the cold. My take is cold hurts range and cold at speed hurts a LOT. The Ariya does OK, not great, and speed seems to hurt it a fair bit.

For those of you reporting, letting us know the ambient temp the car was at start would help. Eg:
"It was 35f out and my garage was 60f" may be a significant detail. Thanks!

Bjørn Nyland - YouTube

I would agree that the cold is hurting us. It’s between 18-30F and we live in mostly highways speed areas (50 to 75 mph). Using eco, estep and b mode, plus presuming on plug, I’m ended up with 260m in range on a long range battery. A bit disappointed but I know the cold would shave some off. I’m holding out until fairer weather to say how I really feel on range.
Additionally, we fast charged today and the cold took us down to 31 speed charging at a 50 station- a reliable station that reports to always be over 50 for other users. I’m ranting between 2.4 and 3.2 kWh on 20-45 min drives (again mostly country highway with some breaking

I think 260 miles is excellent reading for your current conditions. I think the long range battery estimates 289miles.

If it matters, if I get a MYLR in time to make the tax credit break I assume 220 miles of range (of 330 rated) from 0F starting ambient @75mph. I expect 270 miles @75MPH in mild weather. If I elect to take the Ariya I expect 10% less per each. Likely would be closer at lower average speed.

Real world Ariya 87 kWh ranges at highway speeds from Bjorn's: TB test results
Summer dry condition (lines 253-254): 191-278 miles
Winter wet condition (lines 276-277): 181-256 miles

For reference, MY LR dry summer (lines 173-174) and dry winter (lines 215-216) ranges are 211-294 and 203-281 miles respectively, about 10% more than Ariya's likely because of MY's less weight and more aerodynamic lower frog shape.

Ariya may have more range than MY at slower city speed (where drag coefficient is less of a factor) and below zero reserve due to larger battery.

bufkey said:

Real world Ariya 87 kWh ranges at highway speeds from Bjorn's: TB test results
Summer dry condition (lines 253-254): 191-278 miles
Winter wet condition (lines 276-277): 181-256 miles

For reference, MY LR dry summer (lines 173-174) and dry winter (lines 215-216) ranges are 211-294 and 203-281 miles respectively, about 10% more than Ariya's likely because of MY's less weight and more aerodynamic lower frog shape.

Ariya may have more range than MY at slower city speed (where drag coefficient is less of a factor) and below zero reserve due to larger battery.

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I really like Bjorn’s methodology and his video’s are always a hoot to watch. There’s much independent data to choose from on the M Y (including Inside EV’s range test at 70mph) since the M Y has been on the market for some time now. Conversely not so much independent data available for the Ariya yet since it’s just entering the market place. However once more subjective testing can be performed with the Ariya, I suspect that the Tesla M Y will win the range challenge every time. (I am not an Tesla fan ). Regardless at this time we must also consider that limited real world range testing of Ariya performed by Bjorn were equipped with 20” wheels/tires. Even Nissan suggests 20” wheels/tires will negatively impact real world range. So there’s that.

Another way to estimate is to use the EPA MPGe. This is meant to be a measure of efficiency, where a higher number would indicate better range for a given amount of stored energy. Also, wind resistance being a huge factor, it would also indicate better performance at higher speeds.

Here's the Ariya:

The Model Y LR is ~20% better:

Even though Ariya's battery is bigger, MY will win on range. This likely reflects the much less aerodynamic shape of the Ariya, and emphasis on comfort for the higher trims.