If you are eligible for $7500 tax credit for Model Y (No income limit issue), I would say it is a no brainer. Go for Model Y. I have Ioniq 5 and software updates are super clunky. Has to take to dealer everytime. I am not a fan of musk but Tesla software stack is just way too superior to Hyundai/Nissan. Also note that Nissan/Hyundai still use the 9V battery and for many unlucky customers, dead battery has been a nightmare issues. All in all if you can land a Model Y for less than Nissan Premiere, the decision is very straight forward. I wish I was not barred from new tax credits due to income limits. Otherwise I would walk away from Nissan in an instant. I am struggling right now whether to sign the paperwork for Evolve+ or not.
struggle between ariya and Model y
I carefully compared Ariya and Model y before I booked Ariya in early 2022. I like the interior, exterior, and ride of the Ariya better. Plus, Model y is much more expensive than Ariya and has no tax credit at that time. I was happy to choose to wait for Ariya. However, due to the delay, Ariya lost the tax credit. Also, the poor communication with Nissan and the dealer makes me wonder does this company is still the same one I knew.
I called Nissan and the dealer many times, but no one gave me any information about delivery time and tax credit. Many reservationists in the bay area canceled their reservations after the car arrived. There are 5 Ariya listed at Stevens Creek dealer(Santa Clara & San Jose, CA New Nissan Dealer | Stevens Creek Nissan), and I was told I can take anyone away now because previous reservationists did not want it anymore. However, they still don't know when my reservation can arrive.
Model y is cheaper than my Ariya Premiere after the price decrease last night, plus I can get $7500 tax credit from Model y but not Ariya. I still like Ariya more, but $7500 is not small money for me.
I placed an order for an available Model y at bay area last night. But I have not decided to finally pursue it . How about your reservationists' suggestions and decisions?
I called Nissan and the dealer many times, but no one gave me any information about delivery time and tax credit. Many reservationists in the bay area canceled their reservations after the car arrived. There are 5 Ariya listed at Stevens Creek dealer(Santa Clara & San Jose, CA New Nissan Dealer | Stevens Creek Nissan), and I was told I can take anyone away now because previous reservationists did not want it anymore. However, they still don't know when my reservation can arrive.
Model y is cheaper than my Ariya Premiere after the price decrease last night, plus I can get $7500 tax credit from Model y but not Ariya. I still like Ariya more, but $7500 is not small money for me.
I placed an order for an available Model y at bay area last night. But I have not decided to finally pursue it . How about your reservationists' suggestions and decisions?
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Nissan should have been on the horn today calling people who haven’t received their Ariya and told them “you’re Ariya is on the way and be available by xxxx. Please be a bit more patient”. They have more info than they give out. They know how many cars are out there and probably with VINs assigned. They know if dealers don’t have to honor MSRP. They just keep us in the dark. The lack of communication is abysmal and now there’s a strong contender that’s look appealing every hour
I am thinking there will be lot of leftovers. Dealers are stuck in the past. Tesla price reductions are game changers. Nissan has to respond with cuts to MSRP or they will pile up unsold.Nissan should have been on the horn today calling people who haven’t received their Ariya and told them “you’re Ariya is on the way and be available by xxxx. Please be a bit more patient”. They have more info than they give out. They know how many cars are out there and probably with VINs assigned. They know if dealers don’t have to honor MSRP. They just keep us in the dark. The lack of communication is abysmal and now there’s a strong contender that’s look appealing every hour
I've sat in both and like the ariya more but the MY is now ~$5k cheaper after rebates. do I like the ariya premier $5k more?
Tesla just knocked off 20% of Model Y price. It starts now at $52990 after the 20% plus you get the $7500 tax credit when you do your taxes ....
I am test driving the Model Y tomorrow and will make my decision then. I have to say with the price drop the the guarantee of the $7,500 tax credit, the M model Y looks like the value proposition. I loved the Ariya, but after waiting so long for the AWD I ordered and with the great uncertainty on the viability of the tax credit (perhaps the near certainty of it not being allowed), I may be lured to the dark side.
I also canceled my Ariya reservation this morning and will be picking up the model y on Tuesday.
We can try to ask $5000 more credit from Nissan and dealers, but I think that there is a rear chance they will agree.I've sat in both and like the ariya more but the MY is now ~$5k cheaper after rebates. do I like the ariya premier $5k more?
I don't think they can respond this fast. Maybe they will reduce the price one year late when they found there are too many stocks at the dealer's place or in Japan. But Tesla started this game, all the EVs have to join.I am thinking there will be lot of leftovers. Dealers are stuck in the past. Tesla price reductions are game changers. Nissan has to respond with cuts to MSRP or they will pile up unsold.
Congratulations. I think I will do it soon too.I also canceled my Ariya reservation this morning and will be picking up the model y on Tuesday.
Will cancel my reservation tomorrow! We will be picking up a new long range dual motor Model Y next week Wednesday!
Ordered a Model Y long range tonight and canceled my Ariya reservation. For me it was the tax credit, longer range at high speed, better charging network, and camping mode.
Tesla model y long range pricingOrdered a Model Y long range tonight and canceled my Ariya reservation. For me it was the tax credit, longer range at high speed, better charging network, and camping mode.
All those that are cancelling Ariya, keep in mind inorder to get tax credit of 7500 you must be paying higher taxes beyond minimum, that's my understanding. Not everyone will get full tax credit. Also, you could still get credit on ev regardless of brand in my opinion. And with Tesla I don't think you get great build quality, or roomy interior. All their products are like built on top of a Corolla frame.
I'm thinking similarly. Going tomorrow to drive a demo Ariya as well as a Tesla Model Y. I LOVE the Nissan Ariya, but I think it's going to be hard to say no to the Model Y. Maybe I'll drive it for 3-years and then buy an Ariya.
You cannot get credit regardless of brand. Tesla is eligible as American mass. Aria is not as it is Japanese made. As long as one pays more than $7500 in federal taxes liability (as in total taxes paid not additional owed at tax filing time), they will get full credit.All those that are cancelling Ariya, keep in mind inorder to get tax credit of 7500 you must be paying higher taxes beyond minimum, that's my understanding. Not everyone will get full tax credit. Also, you could still get credit on ev regardless of brand in my opinion. And with Tesla I don't think you get great build quality, or roomy interior. All their products are like built on top of a Corolla frame.
Same here.I am test driving the Model Y tomorrow and will make my decision then. I have to say with the price drop the the guarantee of the $7,500 tax credit, the M model Y looks like the value proposition. I loved the Ariya, but after waiting so long for the AWD I ordered and with the great uncertainty on the viability of the tax credit (perhaps the near certainty of it not being allowed), I may be lured to the dark side.
I test drove my aunt’s model Y again in Irvine. It’s a 2021 model. I don’t think there is much difference for 2023. My own decision is still sticking with Ariya P+. I am sure the discount on Y is very tempting, but the std car with no add on and mod does not meet my next EV expectation. That said, I will keep waiting 😂
Reposting from other thread as well:
After sitting on this decision for a day, I have decided to go ahead and take possession of our Aria Evolve +
Here are few factors:
1. Nissan Aria interior from all reviews and our experience looks luxurious. The pano sunroof and heated rear seats are a nice touch along with HUD/360 view/sliding console.
2. The test drive was quieter than our Ioniq 5 especially when Regen is occurring
3. Even though tax credit is uncertain, with the new income rules we are permanently ineligible in 2023. So will hope that IRS will revise guidance with the final ruling for binding agreement before 8/16 and possession in 2023.
4. 2.59% APY for 36 months saves us some money
5. Reservation credit saves us some money
6. Made in Japan build quality
7. Nissan showing good intentions with personal assistant etc. that if they do reduce MSRP to match the EV Price wars, they might do something for reservationists
8. Even though it is a new launch, Nissan has the benefit of many years of Leaf development and support.
9. Driving a more unique car than the ubiquitous Teslas and of course Musk politics
So in the final analysis, if we were eligible for tax credit in 2023, we would have not proceeded, but because we are not going to be eligible and with above factors we have gone ahead with the same.
Hope that helps others on the fence.
After sitting on this decision for a day, I have decided to go ahead and take possession of our Aria Evolve +
Here are few factors:
1. Nissan Aria interior from all reviews and our experience looks luxurious. The pano sunroof and heated rear seats are a nice touch along with HUD/360 view/sliding console.
2. The test drive was quieter than our Ioniq 5 especially when Regen is occurring
3. Even though tax credit is uncertain, with the new income rules we are permanently ineligible in 2023. So will hope that IRS will revise guidance with the final ruling for binding agreement before 8/16 and possession in 2023.
4. 2.59% APY for 36 months saves us some money
5. Reservation credit saves us some money
6. Made in Japan build quality
7. Nissan showing good intentions with personal assistant etc. that if they do reduce MSRP to match the EV Price wars, they might do something for reservationists
8. Even though it is a new launch, Nissan has the benefit of many years of Leaf development and support.
9. Driving a more unique car than the ubiquitous Teslas and of course Musk politics
So in the final analysis, if we were eligible for tax credit in 2023, we would have not proceeded, but because we are not going to be eligible and with above factors we have gone ahead with the same.
Hope that helps others on the fence.
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