[Bill and Susan]

I reserved my 2023 Ariya Venture+ in May 2022 and received a call from my local dealership recommending that I sign a binding contract with nissanusa, which I did in August 2022. I was told that a copy of the contract was emailed to me on 13 August 2022. I cannot find that copy and it is not found on my Nissan Dashboard. I called a number (855-639-8196) given to me by my local Nissan dealer and spoke to an agent. She said that she is unable to give me a copy of the contract. I insisted that I MUST HAVE the copy for my accountant in order to receive the $7500 Federal tax credit. She left and phone and talked to someone who said, in essence, NO you can't have it. I then told her that I MUST HAVE it and to simply resend the email sent to me on 13 August 2022. She said NO again. I told her that this is ridiculous! After several minutes of silence, she got back to me and told me that a "specialist" would call me back. No call back after 4 hours. Does anyone know what is going on? I smell something rotten here. What recourse do i have? Thanks.

 

[ElectricLightOrchestra]

Hi, I had been looking for a copy too, I got the email confirmation saying I signed it, but couldn’t find the actual form though.

I searched Google for “Nissan Ariya Sales Agreement”, and found this link below from a Volkswagen site, but I’ve opened it and it’s exactly what I remember. Still not sure if this will actually hold up with regards to your taxes, but this is what we all signed. Hope that helps.

https://www.vwidtalk.com/attachments/nissan-ariya-reservation-update-_-nissan-usa-pdf.14154/

 

[Nissan79]

IIRC, you took delivery in 2023, correct? Your accountant believes that the contract we signed qualifies as a legally binding document to satisfy the IRA criteria? I'm hoping you do get this signed copy from Nissan because I'm really hoping to see someone set this precedent for Ariya preorders delivering in 2023. I hope it works for you!

My guess, having been in this Ariya waiting game from the beginning, is that Nissan doesn't have any of these signed documents because they never intended it to be an actual qualifying piece of supporting evidence for whatever lawsuit someone is likely to file in the future. Their intent was to just soothe their fussy pre-order holders who were basing their decision stay in the game on the $7500 tax incentive... and in my case, it worked. I'm still in the game.

So in other words, Nissan can't give you what they don't have (at least, that's my somewhat cynical guess).

Nonetheless I'd love to be proven wrong! Keep us posted!

 

[atreis]

There's a copy of the agreement in this post:

Federal Tax Credits Seem To Be A Go For Now

I just completed my taxes on Turbo Tax. I inputted my info about the purchase of my Ariya. I was allowed to receive the full $7500 credit! Did you add any supporting documentation? Please let us know if the IRS accepts it!

www.ariyaforums.com

 

[Bill and Susan]

IIRC, you took delivery in 2023, correct? Your accountant believes that the contract we signed qualifies as a legally binding document to satisfy the IRA criteria? I'm hoping you do get this signed copy from Nissan because I'm really hoping to see someone set this precedent for Ariya preorders delivering in 2023. I hope it works for you!

My guess, having been in this Ariya waiting game from the beginning, is that Nissan doesn't have any of these signed documents because they never intended it to be an actual qualifying piece of supporting evidence for whatever lawsuit someone is likely to file in the future. Their intent was to just soothe their fussy pre-order holders who were basing their decision stay in the game on the $7500 tax incentive... and in my case, it worked. I'm still in the game.

So in other words, Nissan can't give you what they don't have (at least, that's my somewhat cynical guess).

Nonetheless I'd love to be proven wrong! Keep us posted!

I have no assurance to this point that I'll be able to get the $7500 incentive, but I want to be prepared and go over the data with my tax accountant. Without the "binding agreement" I most certainly will get nothing. I will not file until nearer the deadline to see if the IRS makes any changes. I took ownership of the vehicle on 6 Jan 2023. I was told by nissanusa that they emailed me a copy of the "binding agreement" on 13 August. I reserved the vehicle in May 2022.

 

[StanSmith]

Unfortunately the Ariya probably isn’t going to qualify for the credit. The email Nissan sent in august said they would try to help to put those in the best position (not guarantee) to receive the credit but that paper only you signed (that Nissan doesn’t even have on file) held against the irs rules looks to not hold any weight. From that email forward, Nissan has completely been quiet on the topic, so seems they are well aware and don’t want more people to cancel their reservation. The meta quest was probably more of a peace offering and there is no recourse.

 

[PTBongo]

Unfortunately the Ariya probably isn’t going to qualify for the credit. The email Nissan sent in august said they would try to help to put those in the best position (not guarantee) to receive the credit but that paper only you signed (that Nissan doesn’t even have on file) held against the irs rules looks to not hold any weight. From that email forward, Nissan has completely been quiet on the topic, so seems they are well aware and don’t want more people to cancel their reservation. The meta quest was probably more of a peace offering and there is no recourse.

I reserved my 2023 Ariya Venture+ in May 2022 and received a call from my local dealership recommending that I sign a binding contract with nissanusa, which I did in August 2022. I was told that a copy of the contract was emailed to me on 13 August 2022. I cannot find that copy and it is not found on my Nissan Dashboard. I called a number (855-639-8196) given to me by my local Nissan dealer and spoke to an agent. She said that she is unable to give me a copy of the contract. I insisted that I MUST HAVE the copy for my accountant in order to receive the $7500 Federal tax credit. She left and phone and talked to someone who said, in essence, NO you can't have it. I then told her that I MUST HAVE it and to simply resend the email sent to me on 13 August 2022. She said NO again. I told her that this is ridiculous! After several minutes of silence, she got back to me and told me that a "specialist" would call me back. No call back after 4 hours. Does anyone know what is going on? I smell something rotten here. What recourse do i have? Thanks.

The "something rotten" you mention is one big reason I'm very reluctantly paying for and picking up my Ariya this afternoon. What should have been an easy, fun and exciting event feels like bile in the throat.

 

[nexus2nexus]

IIRC, you took delivery in 2023, correct? Your accountant believes that the contract we signed qualifies as a legally binding document to satisfy the IRA criteria? I'm hoping you do get this signed copy from Nissan because I'm really hoping to see someone set this precedent for Ariya preorders delivering in 2023. I hope it works for you!

My guess, having been in this Ariya waiting game from the beginning, is that Nissan doesn't have any of these signed documents because they never intended it to be an actual qualifying piece of supporting evidence for whatever lawsuit someone is likely to file in the future. Their intent was to just soothe their fussy pre-order holders who were basing their decision stay in the game on the $7500 tax incentive... and in my case, it worked. I'm still in the game.

So in other words, Nissan can't give you what they don't have (at least, that's my somewhat cynical guess).

Nonetheless I'd love to be proven wrong! Keep us posted!

my thoughts exactly. a contract requires signature from two parties. my emailed copy doesn't even have my signature on it, and most definitely doesn't have one from a nissan representative.
that's why I jumped ship as soon as tesla lowered prices. as much as I love the car, it's not worth a $7.5k risk (for me almost $10k with state rebate since my dealer wasn't participating)

 

[grailseeker]

Hi, I had been looking for a copy too, I got the email confirmation saying I signed it, but couldn’t find the actual form though.

I searched Google for “Nissan Ariya Sales Agreement”, and found this link below from a Volkswagen site, but I’ve opened it and it’s exactly what I remember. Still not sure if this will actually hold up with regards to your taxes, but this is what we all signed. Hope that helps.

https://www.vwidtalk.com/attachments/nissan-ariya-reservation-update-_-nissan-usa-pdf.14154/

The original one that I saw had a signature line and a date line, not the form inputs - but was similar otherwise.

 

[grailseeker]

The original one that I saw had a signature line and a date line, not the form inputs - but was similar otherwise.

Just found a link here to the original form...check here:

Federal Tax Credits Seem To Be A Go For Now

I just completed my taxes on Turbo Tax. I inputted my info about the purchase of my Ariya. I was allowed to receive the full $7500 credit! Did you add any supporting documentation? Please let us know if the IRS accepts it!

www.ariyaforums.com

Good luck!

 

[parke065]

my thoughts exactly. a contract requires signature from two parties. my emailed copy doesn't even have my signature on it, and most definitely doesn't have one from a nissan representative.
that's why I jumped ship as soon as tesla lowered prices. as much as I love the car, it's not worth a $7.5k risk (for me almost $10k with state rebate since my dealer wasn't participating)

my thoughts exactly. a contract requires signature from two parties. my emailed copy doesn't even have my signature on it, and most definitely doesn't have one from a nissan representative.
that's why I jumped ship as soon as tesla lowered prices. as much as I love the car, it's not worth a $7.5k risk (for me almost $10k with state rebate since my dealer wasn't participating)

I have checked with two tax attorneys and they are dubious that Nissan sent a binding contract for several reasons: (1) It did not meet the criteria specified by the IRS; (2) Minimal down payment that is still apparently refundable; and (3) No specified price for the car stated in the contract. I also checked with an accountant/tax attorney and he said the IRS is still unclear. I then contacted our state department of revenue and they declined to comment. The upshot is this remains unclear but Nissan ought to have done a better job regarding the ”contract” that was sent out. While the law remains vague (or ought I say IRS ruling) on this remains opaque or non-existent. Be careful about what a tax accountant or your software says. Accounts are often not familiar with tax law. I have no clue about software.

 

[nexus2nexus]

I have checked with two tax attorneys and they are dubious that Nissan sent a binding contract for several reasons: (1) It did not meet the criteria specified by the IRS; (2) Minimal down payment that is still apparently refundable; and (3) No specified price for the car stated in the contract. I also checked with an accountant/tax attorney and he said the IRS is still unclear. I then contacted our state department of revenue and they declined to comment. The upshot is this remains unclear but Nissan ought to have done a better job regarding the ”contract” that was sent out. While the law remains vague (or ought I say IRS ruling) on this remains opaque or non-existent. Be careful about what a tax accountant or your software says. Accounts are often not familiar with tax law. I have no clue about software.

exactly. accounting and laws are different specialties and while there may be some overlap in this case, there are many nuances that the accountant may not be clear on.
I signed this "binding" agreement and was able to get my refund after I declined pickup.

 

[ak_co]

Here is the copy of binding agreement, i believe everybody got the same version

 

[StanSmith]

Here is the copy of binding agreement, i believe everybody got the same version

Don’t know how “binding” it is if it can be passed around so easily and only you have to sign and date it

 

[atreis]

Don’t know how “binding” it is if it can be passed around so easily and only you have to sign and date it

You would also have an email acknowledging Nissan's end of it after signing it at the correct time.

 

[ak_co]

You would also have an email acknowledging Nissan's end of it after signing it at the correct time.

Something like this..