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The wait was just too long and I feel the Model Y is a better deal at it's current price.
If you placed the order, or have already received your MY, let us know what interest rate you were offered.

Next month, the Fed will announce another rate hike. You better lock in whatever low rate you can get NOW. Otherwise, nothing can beat todays Nissan’s finance promo.

People are way too short sighted with “better deal” up front but never talk about TCO.
 

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If you placed the order, or have already received your MY, let us know what interest rate you were offered.

Next month, the Fed will announce another rate hike. You better lock in whatever low rate you can get NOW. Otherwise, nothing can beat todays Nissan’s finance promo.

People are way too short sighted with “better deal” up front but never talk about TCO.
I’m looking into that right now. When you look at an EV compared to a Hybrid TCO looks a lot different.
 

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If you placed the order, or have already received your MY, let us know what interest rate you were offered.

Next month, the Fed will announce another rate hike. You better lock in whatever low rate you can get NOW. Otherwise, nothing can beat todays Nissan’s finance promo.

People are way too short sighted with “better deal” up front but never talk about TCO.
My wife just picked up a Tesla on the 17th as well. She got 3.49% financing for 72 months through a credit union.
 

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If you placed the order, or have already received your MY, let us know what interest rate you were offered.

Next month, the Fed will announce another rate hike. You better lock in whatever low rate you can get NOW. Otherwise, nothing can beat todays Nissan’s finance promo.

People are way too short sighted with “better deal” up front but never talk about TCO.
Nobody should be buying an EV for TCO. Serious. EVs depreciate the worst of any car type. More than 50% in 3 years.
Look at the recent plummeting values of Polestar 2. My Mach-E has taken a massive value hit in the past 3-4 months.
 

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Nobody should be buying an EV for TCO. Serious. EVs depreciate the worst of any car type. More than 50% in 3 years.
Look at the recent plummeting values of Polestar 2. My Mach-E has taken a massive value hit in the past 3-4 months.
The entire used car market is dead. It is why Carvana went under…

This article was dated Dec 28, 2022. Tesla used vehicles are struggling at dealers’ lots. Keep in mind that a lot have changed since Friday the 13th. Manheim is already seeing a floodgate of used Teslas at auction.

 

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The entire used car market is dead. It is why Carvana went under…

This article was dated Dec 28, 2022. Tesla used vehicles are struggling at dealers’ lots. Keep in mind that a lot have changed since Friday the 13th. Manheim is already seeing a floodgate of used Teslas at auction.

You are ignoring the fact that EVs traditionally had horrific depreciation. Not related to used car market at all. Back in 2021, VW and Ford have EV leases that have 50% RV which is awful but matches reality.

Googling others... Audi Q4 e-tron as 54% (2022 Audi Q4 Etron Lease Deals and Prices). Ioniq 5 is around 52% RV after 3 years (2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Lease Deals and Prices). These are current RVs for 2023s.

For best TCO.. buy a Toyota or Subaru which has the lowest depreciation and thus one of the best TCO. I would not be caught dead in another Toyota (except the new Sequoia) but Subies I like.

I will say this again... do NOT buy an EV for low TCO. Depreciation will kill you. Gas savings can not make up for. EDIT: The only case if is if you drive far more than average (i.e 100+ miles a day) and have free or low-cost charging
 

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You are ignoring the fact that EVs traditionally had horrific depreciation. Not related to used car market at all. Back in 2021, VW and Ford have EV leases that have 50% RV which is awful but matches reality.

Googling others... Audi Q4 e-tron as 54% (2022 Audi Q4 Etron Lease Deals and Prices). Ioniq 5 is around 52% RV after 3 years (2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Lease Deals and Prices). These are current RVs for 2023s.

For best TCO.. buy a Toyota or Subaru which has the lowest depreciation and thus one of the best TCO. I would not be caught dead in another Toyota (except the new Sequoia) but Subies I like.

I will say this again... do NOT buy an EV for low TCO. Depreciation will kill you. Gas savings can not make up for. EDIT: The only case if is if you drive far more than average (i.e 100+ miles a day) and have free or low-cost charging
I hear ya! For those who are buying Ariya with unlimited free charging for the first year helps with TCO. And if we get the $7500 IRA down the road, BONUS!

Per the article that I attached, Tesla vehicles are losing RV fast, probably much more now that many 3-5 yrs Model 3/Y owners are trading in at faster clip. Perfect Storm?
 

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I hear ya! For those who are buying Ariya with unlimited free charging for the first year helps with TCO. And if we get the $7500 IRA down the road, BONUS!

Per the article that I attached, Tesla vehicles are losing RV fast, probably much more now that many 3-5 yrs Model 3/Y owners are trading in at faster clip. Perfect Storm?
Too much hopium on the IRA $7500 tax credit with a "written binding agreement" that's not even with your dealer.

Since VW and Audi now offer $7500 cap reduction on leases... I think folks should go that route (when Nissan offers it). I expect Nissan to price the lease like other EV leases and the RV will be around 50% after 36 months. With MF/interest-rates so high... it won't be a cheap lease at all.
 

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You are ignoring the fact that EVs traditionally had horrific depreciation. Not related to used car market at all. Back in 2021, VW and Ford have EV leases that have 50% RV which is awful but matches reality.

Googling others... Audi Q4 e-tron as 54% (2022 Audi Q4 Etron Lease Deals and Prices). Ioniq 5 is around 52% RV after 3 years (2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Lease Deals and Prices). These are current RVs for 2023s.

For best TCO.. buy a Toyota or Subaru which has the lowest depreciation and thus one of the best TCO. I would not be caught dead in another Toyota (except the new Sequoia) but Subies I like.

I will say this again... do NOT buy an EV for low TCO. Depreciation will kill you. Gas savings can not make up for. EDIT: The only case if is if you drive far more than average (i.e 100+ miles a day) and have free or low-cost charging
This is spot on, after learning of this as well. I am opting to buy a Honda hybrid as i will end up in better shape when I got to trade in on the Zeekr.
 

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Just received call on my Evolve #139XX ETA Feb 10th. I plan on keeping 10yrs minimum. I will get free EVGO for 1 yr,,3 hookups 3miles from my home.I also have solar home(panels are paid off) and garage charging system ready to go will use mostly starting second yr after EVGO expires. Right now it looks like $5900 rebate from state and local county.No more smog checks,oil changes, GAS, I feel it will pay for itself over long haul.Also I like the Sporty Look...First couple months of driving should be only Ariya in area but if I do see another I will be thinking 1) What was your Reservation# 2) What city or dealer? Many dealers are now showing Ariyas for sale In Transit my dealer is expecting 5 to sell in April. I think cars are listed now so they can make future money. I also think Reservation Car arrivals should pick up to receive Prior to Dealer getting theirs to sell. Good Luck to everyone it has been a long journey.
 

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One should also consider that if prices on EVs do go down, so will the features. Aria Evolve+ has so many features with the initial launch. Nissan or Hyundai for Ioniq5 will start taking out the features to make entry level versions cheaper. The initial launch they are providing more features and tech to get the car established in the market place. Ioniq5 already took out the LED grill for SEL model in year 2 despite raising MSRP. SO things like lighted emblem (so cool) will be on the chopping block.
 

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One should also consider that if prices on EVs do go down, so will the features. Aria Evolve+ has so many features with the initial launch. Nissan or Hyundai for Ioniq5 will start taking out the features to make entry level versions cheaper. The initial launch they are providing more features and tech to get the car established in the market place. Ioniq5 already took out the LED grill for SEL model in year 2 despite raising MSRP. SO things like lighted emblem (so cool) will be on the chopping block.
Very true. If pricing is the only deciding factor to compete with MY, Nissan can easily remove the panoramic moonroof with sunshade cover as standard feature and make it an option instead. This alone will loft off the price by $2500.

at the end of the day, 2023 Ariya will be far superior than 2024 Ariya as Nissan will probably be playing around with their price adjustments by removing certain features.
 

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Very true. If pricing is the only deciding factor to compete with MY, Nissan can easily remove the panoramic moonroof with sunshade cover as standard feature and make it an option instead. This alone will loft off the price by $2500.

at the end of the day, 2023 Ariya will be far superior than 2024 Ariya as Nissan will probably be playing around with their price adjustments by removing certain features.
100%. We saw this in the cereal aisle at the supermarket as well. Reduce from 16 oz to 12 oz and keep the price the same.
 

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Very true. If pricing is the only deciding factor to compete with MY, Nissan can easily remove the panoramic moonroof with sunshade cover as standard feature and make it an option instead. This alone will loft off the price by $2500.

at the end of the day, 2023 Ariya will be far superior than 2024 Ariya as Nissan will probably be playing around with their price adjustments by removing certain features.
Pricing is not the only factor but it is a factor. Other factors for her were better basic autopilot than the Ariya, better audio, better infotainment system, more options for customization, more cargo room, better driving feel, better efficiency, easier to charge on road trips, better seats, one pedal driving, sentry mode, and better performance. She always preferred the model Y o the Ariya but liked the Ariya well enough to pick it when the Model Y cost significantly more. But the price drop of the Model Y combined with the tax credit for the Y and loss of tax credit for the Ariya meant that the vehicle she preferred was now less expensive than her sexond choice in the EV market.

Granted, some of these things are subjective, and are not meant to downplay the Ariya at all.

I think it is great that there are now more options in the EV market. I personally drive an ID4 pro and prefer it to both the Ariya and model Y for my own subjective reasons.
 

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Nissan or Hyundai for Ioniq5 will start taking out the features to make entry level versions cheaper.
How much cheaper can you make the base Ioniq 5 SE? It has cloth seats, no front sensor, is RWD with the acceleration of a station wagon, base audio, etc.

I think the base Ariyas are quite nice compared to other EV base models.
 

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How much cheaper can you make the base Ioniq 5 SE? It has cloth seats, no front sensor, is RWD with the acceleration of a station wagon, base audio, etc.

I think the base Ariyas are quite nice compared to other EV base models.
There are still features to take out of SE.

Power driver seat, heated front seats, power charge port. Just saying besides other ways they can decontent. But the point is though price reductions can also lead to less content.
 

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There are still features to take out of SE.

Power driver seat, heated front seats, power charge port. Just saying besides other ways they can decontent. But the point is though price reductions can also lead to less content.
EVs already have $10K fewer features than comparable ICE cars at the same price point. More decontent-ing will just force buyers to ICE vehicles because of the lack of features (heated seats and steering wheel are dealbreakers for some).
 

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Pricing is not the only factor but it is a factor. Other factors for her were better basic autopilot than the Ariya, better audio, better infotainment system, more options for customization, more cargo room, better driving feel, better efficiency, easier to charge on road trips, better seats, one pedal driving, sentry mode, and better performance. She always preferred the model Y o the Ariya but liked the Ariya well enough to pick it when the Model Y cost significantly more. But the price drop of the Model Y combined with the tax credit for the Y and loss of tax credit for the Ariya meant that the vehicle she preferred was now less expensive than her sexond choice in the EV market.

Granted, some of these things are subjective, and are not meant to downplay the Ariya at all.

I think it is great that there are now more options in the EV market. I personally drive an ID4 pro and prefer it to both the Ariya and model Y for my own subjective reasons.
Since your wife "always preferred the MY", then there's no subjective comparison. It's either MY or nothing. Tax incentives should only be consider if a person has tax liability. Most gullibles probably dont' understand the IRA.

My neighbor across from me traded in their 2018 Lexus RX450h (PHEV) for a top of the line 2022 MY Dual Motor with all the bells and whistles. The husband, whom I chat with once in a while, totally disliked his MY. The wife wanted the brand name Tesla in their garage because their immediate neighbor also owns a top of the line MY (their immediate neighbor also recently bought a brand new 2022 Range Rover). "What wifey wants, wifey gets" was his only reasoning for buying their MY.

Competing with the Joneses can be very expensive ordeal. I haven't talked to my neighbor after the recent drastic price reduction on their MY. I'm sure he's not very happy either. Making car payments when the value of your car is UPSIDE DOWN is not fun. How many will eventually walk away from their Tesla car loans?
 
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