Hi all, new member here so please forgive me if I post this incorrectly. I'm looking for info on whether the tow package can be put on the engage and if it affects the warranty. I only find it listed under the AWD model. Cheers
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This thread is fascinating and highlights the difference in towing between Europe and north America. My dad pulled a 32 foot boles aero trailer for years with Buick Electra. Honking big v8 and load levelling hitch....no problem. I tow a 26 foot trailer with V8 Titan.....no problem. I do believe the sage advice that you should not really exceed two thirds of the maximum rated towing capacity is good - provides a useful margin of error and easier on the tranny. I tried pulling a 5,000 lb sailboat with my Acura MDX V6 310 hp. The issue was the transmission which on our mountain passed heated up so much the cooker fan kicked in.
So....Come on Nissan. Tell us how these various Ariya models are tow rated....should be the same all over the world. I agree if the fwd Ariya is rated for 750 kg in Europe....should be in north America too!
My experience driving in Europe (all over) is that there are lots of lovely light "caravans" being pulled by V6 autos and cuvs just fine. Certainly slower than here though....and plodding in low gear on the hills. I still think the two thirds rule is worth following.
PS....we need those small caravans over here! Save a lot of fuel and much better built than 90 percent of north American manufacturing.
Happy towing over there in Europe!!
So....Come on Nissan. Tell us how these various Ariya models are tow rated....should be the same all over the world. I agree if the fwd Ariya is rated for 750 kg in Europe....should be in north America too!
My experience driving in Europe (all over) is that there are lots of lovely light "caravans" being pulled by V6 autos and cuvs just fine. Certainly slower than here though....and plodding in low gear on the hills. I still think the two thirds rule is worth following.
PS....we need those small caravans over here! Save a lot of fuel and much better built than 90 percent of north American manufacturing.
Happy towing over there in Europe!!
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My local Nissan will not install the 1.25" hitch on my Evolve + FWD...they say their stock Ariya AWD hitch will not fit it ??? and is intended for the AWD model only. They also said (don't know if this is true) that Nissan will be coming out with a hitch for the FWD model ??? I also tried 2 local trailer hitch places and there are no aftermarket ones available...so I am SOL at the moment. The local trailer hitch place said it usually takes 3-6 months at least until the aftermarket hitches become available for new vehicles "if they become available at all"...depends on car sales / demand of that particular model. What I really want is a 2.0" hitch for my Yakima and/or Kuat bike racks...I will not be towing anything. My options at the moment 1.) wait until the aftermarket ones become available or for Nissan to produce one 2.) wait for an Evolve + AWD to become available and trade in my new Evolve + FWD 3.) see if someone would custom build a hitch...UHaul claims they do this, but it will probably be very expensive? 4.) Sell my Nissan Evolve + and buy a Mach E. Anyone have any other thoughts?
Not sure the difference of UK 🇬🇧 & USA hitches or ball size !!!! But I have a Nissan dealer fitted hitch to my FWD 87kw evolve
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Is it the Nissan stock 1.25" hitch for the Ariya AWD but they were nice and put on your FWD Ariya? No luck with my dealership here in the USA (North Carolina).
If you go back a page on this chat I put up the image from the Nissan accessory page on their website
For some unknown reason, the US one is listed as for AWD only. A bunch of us are waiting for an aftermarket option.
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Hopefully, sooner than later! And, preferably a 2.0" version in the aftermarket. Truth be told, there probably is an aftermarket option already...just not tested / endorsed by Curtis or Uhaul or Draw-tite, etc...I mean there aren't hundreds of hitches for each car / truck type...
Real world towing is quite different than it may seem, and any mfg's attempt to put a weight rating on it is relatively inaccurate. Let's just touch on the obvious one:
1) Weight rear axle tire/rim/bearing combination can accept tongue wise.
2) Weight transferred off the front (which can affect steering, breaking, wobble, etc)
3) Drive-train stress
a. People always think weight. OK, sure. But it's oft not the biggest strain on the tow vehicle.
b. Drag. This is oft the biggest deal. Ford does the best of any mfg I've seen by publishing frontal area restrictions.
4) Breaking.
5) Emergency manuevering
a. tire side load
b. Anti spin
Then you have the risks:
1) Politely, the skill of the average driver is relatively low and dropping each year.
2) Too many folks just don't appreciate how dangerous a cross wind can be for a trailer.
3) Let's not even talk about snow/ice/rain, etc.
4) Most vehicles today, to save costs and weight, don't have a lot of braking power. Yet lots of folks pull trailers wo/brakes
Why do I mention this?
1) I think it a miracle mfg's publish tow ratings at all. I'm sure they don't want to.
2) I don't much care about mfg specs. I think first about rear axle loading. The rest is all load/weather specific and has almost nothing to do with weight. For me it's all about:
a. Weather
b. Speed I'll feel safe at for the load/surface area/weather.
c. Tow unit stress I'll be taking at the speed I may need to go.
From there its a Go/No-Go - More tow vehicle needed decision. Which tends to take a lot of discipline.
Will I tow w/an EV? A little. I'll tow almost anything under 5,000lbs around town somewhat below speed limit carefully. I'll tow almost nothing more than a flat trailer w/a motorcycle on the interstate. I would'nt even think of putting my Rzr on a landscape trailer and running interstate speeds with it. I'd have the power and mfg approval, but the drag would really put a strain on the drivetrain and I'd feel like the EV wheelbase was too short. You may notice above I've exceeded their approval in one situation, been unwilling to do it on another even though the mfg approves. I would argue my decisions are the more informed ones.
YMMV, and you should of course make your own decisions. I've simply tried to suggest there are plenty of real life factors that may matter more than a rating, and of course the reasons Nissan may find it hard to be clear.
1) Weight rear axle tire/rim/bearing combination can accept tongue wise.
2) Weight transferred off the front (which can affect steering, breaking, wobble, etc)
3) Drive-train stress
a. People always think weight. OK, sure. But it's oft not the biggest strain on the tow vehicle.
b. Drag. This is oft the biggest deal. Ford does the best of any mfg I've seen by publishing frontal area restrictions.
4) Breaking.
5) Emergency manuevering
a. tire side load
b. Anti spin
Then you have the risks:
1) Politely, the skill of the average driver is relatively low and dropping each year.
2) Too many folks just don't appreciate how dangerous a cross wind can be for a trailer.
3) Let's not even talk about snow/ice/rain, etc.
4) Most vehicles today, to save costs and weight, don't have a lot of braking power. Yet lots of folks pull trailers wo/brakes
Why do I mention this?
1) I think it a miracle mfg's publish tow ratings at all. I'm sure they don't want to.
2) I don't much care about mfg specs. I think first about rear axle loading. The rest is all load/weather specific and has almost nothing to do with weight. For me it's all about:
a. Weather
b. Speed I'll feel safe at for the load/surface area/weather.
c. Tow unit stress I'll be taking at the speed I may need to go.
From there its a Go/No-Go - More tow vehicle needed decision. Which tends to take a lot of discipline.
Will I tow w/an EV? A little. I'll tow almost anything under 5,000lbs around town somewhat below speed limit carefully. I'll tow almost nothing more than a flat trailer w/a motorcycle on the interstate. I would'nt even think of putting my Rzr on a landscape trailer and running interstate speeds with it. I'd have the power and mfg approval, but the drag would really put a strain on the drivetrain and I'd feel like the EV wheelbase was too short. You may notice above I've exceeded their approval in one situation, been unwilling to do it on another even though the mfg approves. I would argue my decisions are the more informed ones.
YMMV, and you should of course make your own decisions. I've simply tried to suggest there are plenty of real life factors that may matter more than a rating, and of course the reasons Nissan may find it hard to be clear.
Most of us want a hitch for bike racks. Weight transfer would be something, but we're talking 60-70 lbs all up for my wife and my bikes plus rack. Even considering the weight is aft of the rear axle, it's less than if one put a load of kids and luggage into the car.
FWIW, I've been towing recreationally for over 20 years. I don't plan to do it with my Ariya, but would like to take my bikes on a hitch-mounted rack now and then. I've had issues with the sort that mount to the rear hatch scratching the paint, and getting bikes up onto the roof and back off again can be a challenge.
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Agree completely. At 72, and loving to ebike, I need a standard 2 in hitch receiver to take a good hitch mount bike rack. Surely this should not be an issue with either fwd or AWD Ariya. Looks like Nissan Europe taking a different stance than north America.
I agree too. I have a 1.25" hitch mount bike rack and bought Ariya believing that the hitch was available. My dealer says corporate told him (after my continuous nagging) there is a "safety" issue, but has no details regarding what it is. If it is a trailer towing issue, we should be able to make the decision to have it installed for bike racks!
I agree! If it's related to towing, give the factory hitch a tongue weight rating and 0 lb tow rating.
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I’m shocked that Nissan continues to provide its dealers and customers with little information on this matter. Up until now Nissan NA has been been such a good listener and communicator! 🙉
I thought I'd posted this someplace, but.,,
The part number you're looking for is: T99T5-5MP0A
That's a Class 1 "medium duty" received listed as fitting only an AWD. My OPINION is it fits anything. Nissan isn't going to list a hitch for a FWD that's able to accept more weight than recommended. If/When Nissan releases one for FWD it will be a "Type 1 Light", which is 1 1/2" and has a short draw bar/pin relationship and won't take the type 1 medium/heavy draw bars. It seems unlikely to me Nissan is building to different frame mounts as regards the frame and bumper. This all smacks of crappy Nissan communication/treatment. Was I in your shoes I'd order one and have my local body shop install it.
The part number you're looking for is: T99T5-5MP0A
That's a Class 1 "medium duty" received listed as fitting only an AWD. My OPINION is it fits anything. Nissan isn't going to list a hitch for a FWD that's able to accept more weight than recommended. If/When Nissan releases one for FWD it will be a "Type 1 Light", which is 1 1/2" and has a short draw bar/pin relationship and won't take the type 1 medium/heavy draw bars. It seems unlikely to me Nissan is building to different frame mounts as regards the frame and bumper. This all smacks of crappy Nissan communication/treatment. Was I in your shoes I'd order one and have my local body shop install it.
I’m sure there will be plenty of aftermarket tow hitches in the near future. Ariya will be Nissan’s volume producer
While another of the endless shill statements, it's an interesting distraction into fantasy. Hard data however, suggests otherwise. Lets look:
Nissan produced 3.8 MILLION vehicles in 2021. I've not seen the 2022 numbers, but we know they are down and should not be worse than 3.5M. Ariya 2023 global production will be well under 100K a year and, for now, perhaps only half that. Let's call it 75K by year end. Rivian will have more US product in 2023 for goodness sake. Nisan global sales of Rogue, Altima, Pathfinder, even Frontier simply dwarf those numbers. More, with no US EV production capability reversing that trend is going to be a road more easily traveled overseas. Which of course brings in BYD. This to say nothing of Hyundai's and Toyota's US plants announced as well as GM/Honda coming online w/EV's. Finally, Ariya is only made (today) in the Tochigi plant. Tochigi is their third factory in terms of capacity, rates only 250K units per annum, and makes more than just Ariya (ok, that's an "I think").
I've every reason to believe the Ariya will be a quality decision for its owners, but to be sure of third-party aftermarket products in the near term seems a stretch given the limited production, US volume and US market pressures. Not as huge a leap as thinking of Ariya being the Nissan volume leader in the near future of course, but then that's obviously impossible.
A disclaimer: I try to stay abreast of the EV market, but I'm certainly quite fallible. So it could be here. Nor is the future written. Ariya production by 2025 will certainly be quite different. Will Nissan really leave the full-size truck market in '24-25 as reported? Could those US plants be converted to Ariya, perhaps in time for a '25-'26 refresh? The Renault/Nissan/Mitsubishi alliance relies heavily on SUV sales, I would not be surprised to see it.
Meanwhile, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I made contact with Reese/Drawtite and asked. No product at this time. They are going to ask R&D if they have any known plans and get back to me. Hopefully the market is calm enough they'll make one. Now would be a really really good time to call and ask for yourselves! Last I knew they ask for customer cars to use as a mule, so....
UHaul will do this too. They require a customer car, and do it at a place in Tempe, AZ. Too far for me, but if there are Ariya owners near either of these facilities hopefully they'll help us all.
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